blending blacktop asphalt to new concrete

Wiscbldr · 09-22-2011, 12:13 PM

Not sure if this is the right location for this thread, but here it goes.

I recently had a new concrete driveway installed leading into a detached garage. I have a blacktop asphalt driveway turnaround that meets the new concrete driveway. There is currently a couple of inches gap/trench between the concrete and blacktop, as the concrete company had a wooden board as the form. I need to blend the two together as right now theres merely sand and gravel in the gap/crack area where it was dug out.

Whats the best way to proceed? I was thinking of filling in part of the trench gap with a couple of inches of gravel, tamp it in, and then install cold pack asphalt into the gap blending it to the height of the concrete and blacktop turnaround, tamping as I go to pack it in.

Does that sound adequate in filling that gap between the concrete and the blacktop turnaround? Will the new cold pack asphalt adhere to the gravel, old blacktop and new concrete so that it doesn't come out, especially during any freeze-thaw weather changes? I live in the midwest.

Thanks!

AGWhitehouse · 09-22-2011, 01:18 PM

Cold patch is probably your best bet and will look the part. It won't last for very long, but you should get a few years out of it before major deterioration exists. At that point you chip it out and patch again. It's the same stuff they patch pot holes with and you'll notice they are usually solid for a year or two.

Wiscbldr · 09-22-2011, 01:35 PM

Thats kind of what I figured.

Will I have any problem with re-blacktopping over the cold patch?

I have a very long driveway that was blacktopped about 10 years ago, same stuff they put on the local hwys (pea gravel, asphalt). We were going to do the entire length again as its showing signs of wear, cracks, etc, but wanted to get the concrete done first, do it all.

We were hoping to patch with the cold patch, then do the entire driveway to last us a good 10 years again.. sound reasonable?, or will there be issues with the cold patch being underneath a new layer of pea gravel asphalt?

AGWhitehouse · 09-22-2011, 01:59 PM

If you're doing the whole driveway again with hot mix, I wouldn't even bother with a cold patch. It'll be a waste of $ and time.

If the joint gap now is really deep (6" or so below the proposed surface), You can throw a little stone process in there or have the asphalt contractor fill in the gap with hot mix. Either way should work. I'd recommend a joint sealer of sorts at the cold joint of the asphlat/concrete to keep moisture out. Freeze/thaw at cold joints will delaminate the asphalt at the joint well before the bulk of the driveway fails.

Wiscbldr · 09-22-2011, 03:20 PM

Unfortunately it will likely be at least a year before we do the whole driveway again. So I need get something in there this year, especially before winter, to prevent water, snow, etc from getting underneath the concrete and blacktop. Thats why I was thinking of doing cold patch to fill in the area between concrete and blacktop, and also fill in any other potholes before winter.. then next summer/fall.. likely do the entire driveway (but not the concrete driveways) with new blacktop.

Wiscbldr · 09-22-2011, 03:22 PM

If I do as Im planning, should I put in some gravel in the spacing first before the cold patch? Its about 6-8 inches deep and anywhere from 3-8 inches wide between the concrete and blacktop in some spots.

Ron6519 · 09-22-2011, 04:24 PM

I'd separate the two materials with a cobblestone border. If you need to widen the gap, widen it. If you have bricks in the landscaping, use those.

AGWhitehouse · 09-22-2011, 08:07 PM

Ron's idea isn't bad. But if you want asphalt, then yes I'd lay in some process or stone dust and allow for 3-4" of cold patch...tamp both well. p.s. a little diesel fuel on the tamp will keep the tar from sticking...

Bondo · 09-22-2011, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiscbldr

Unfortunately it will likely be at least a year before we do the whole driveway again. So I need get something in there this year, especially before winter, to prevent water, snow, etc from getting underneath the concrete and blacktop. Thats why I was thinking of doing cold patch to fill in the area between concrete and blacktop, and also fill in any other potholes before winter.. then next summer/fall.. likely do the entire driveway (but not the concrete driveways) with new blacktop.

Ayuh,... Fill it with stone, 'n tamp in an inch or 2 of cold patch if you wish,...
The Blacktoppers will pop it out, when you get yer overlay next year, 'n fill it with hot mix...
Or,...
just fill it with stone til ya get it repaved....

09-22-2011, 12:13 PM	#1
Wiscbldr Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 100	blending blacktop asphalt to new concrete Not sure if this is the right location for this thread, but here it goes. I recently had a new concrete driveway installed leading into a detached garage. I have a blacktop asphalt driveway turnaround that meets the new concrete driveway. There is currently a couple of inches gap/trench between the concrete and blacktop, as the concrete company had a wooden board as the form. I need to blend the two together as right now theres merely sand and gravel in the gap/crack area where it was dug out. Whats the best way to proceed? I was thinking of filling in part of the trench gap with a couple of inches of gravel, tamp it in, and then install cold pack asphalt into the gap blending it to the height of the concrete and blacktop turnaround, tamping as I go to pack it in. Does that sound adequate in filling that gap between the concrete and the blacktop turnaround? Will the new cold pack asphalt adhere to the gravel, old blacktop and new concrete so that it doesn't come out, especially during any freeze-thaw weather changes? I live in the midwest. Thanks!

09-22-2011, 01:18 PM	#2
AGWhitehouse Architectural Designer Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,370	blending blacktop asphalt to new concrete Cold patch is probably your best bet and will look the part. It won't last for very long, but you should get a few years out of it before major deterioration exists. At that point you chip it out and patch again. It's the same stuff they patch pot holes with and you'll notice they are usually solid for a year or two. __________________ Life's too short...so enjoy it! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

09-22-2011, 01:35 PM	#3
Wiscbldr Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 100	blending blacktop asphalt to new concrete Thats kind of what I figured. Will I have any problem with re-blacktopping over the cold patch? I have a very long driveway that was blacktopped about 10 years ago, same stuff they put on the local hwys (pea gravel, asphalt). We were going to do the entire length again as its showing signs of wear, cracks, etc, but wanted to get the concrete done first, do it all. We were hoping to patch with the cold patch, then do the entire driveway to last us a good 10 years again.. sound reasonable?, or will there be issues with the cold patch being underneath a new layer of pea gravel asphalt?

09-22-2011, 01:59 PM	#4
AGWhitehouse Architectural Designer Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,370	blending blacktop asphalt to new concrete If you're doing the whole driveway again with hot mix, I wouldn't even bother with a cold patch. It'll be a waste of $ and time. If the joint gap now is really deep (6" or so below the proposed surface), You can throw a little stone process in there or have the asphalt contractor fill in the gap with hot mix. Either way should work. I'd recommend a joint sealer of sorts at the cold joint of the asphlat/concrete to keep moisture out. Freeze/thaw at cold joints will delaminate the asphalt at the joint well before the bulk of the driveway fails. __________________ Life's too short...so enjoy it! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

09-22-2011, 03:20 PM	#5
Wiscbldr Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 100	blending blacktop asphalt to new concrete Unfortunately it will likely be at least a year before we do the whole driveway again. So I need get something in there this year, especially before winter, to prevent water, snow, etc from getting underneath the concrete and blacktop. Thats why I was thinking of doing cold patch to fill in the area between concrete and blacktop, and also fill in any other potholes before winter.. then next summer/fall.. likely do the entire driveway (but not the concrete driveways) with new blacktop.

blending blacktop asphalt to new concrete