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07-22-2008, 10:17 PM
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I have a concrete deck that is 13'X8'.
I plan to erect a shed style roof over this using 2X8 rafters.
One end of the rafters will be supported by a ledger board on the house.
The other ends supported on a 13' beam.
This rafters will be 8' from the ledger board to the beam.
The snow load in this area is 50 lbs/sq.ft.
The beam will be supported at each end with 6 by 6 posts.
What size of beam would be required to support this roof and its snow load?
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07-22-2008, 10:35 PM
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But it's very simple,
6x6 should surfice providing that the supports leading from the roof to the beam are angled to push the load to either ends of the beam. Or adding a second 6x6 support collum in the middle.
Again remember this requies a permit where I'm from. 
fj
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07-22-2008, 11:21 PM
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What supports do you mean? " providing that the supports leading from the roof to the beam are angled ".
Perhaps I was unclear. I was looking for the size of the horizontal beam that the rafters will rest on.
Actually this project is to repair an existing roof, that is inadequate for the heavy snow loads that we seem to get nowadays.
I assume that a repair would be exempt from a building permit. Its my understanding that a permit would be required if any dimensions are changed!
Thanks for your reply!
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07-23-2008, 09:00 AM
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You think a new roof structure is a repair? - 50 psf snow is miuch more that a light snow and someon must have determined that for a reason.
Don't take the permit issue to lightly. - Remember you are attaching a stucture to your house ans it is over an occupied space and adds load to the deck.
When the area bove the patio is converted to a 3 or 4 season room you could need a permit. - Most covered decks in a cold climate get converted.
When you go to sell, this could easily be a red flag for a buyer wanting to get the price down even if he does not hire a home inspector.
What are you hanging the ledger on?
Dick
Last edited by concretemasonry; 07-23-2008 at 09:02 AM.
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07-23-2008, 10:28 AM
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AGREED. Any structural change or repair must be done with a permit.  BOB
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07-23-2008, 11:17 AM
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Post a picture of the site.
Ron
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07-23-2008, 07:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by concretemasonry
You think a new roof structure is a repair? - 50 psf snow is miuch more that a light snow and someon must have determined that for a reason.
Don't take the permit issue to lightly. - Remember you are attaching a stucture to your house ans it is over an occupied space and adds load to the deck.
When the area bove the patio is converted to a 3 or 4 season room you could need a permit. - Most covered decks in a cold climate get converted.
When you go to sell, this could easily be a red flag for a buyer wanting to get the price down even if he does not hire a home inspector.
What are you hanging the ledger on?
Dick
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At the present time there is a aluminum canopy over the concrete deck. It appears to approximately 40 years old.
With the recent snow loads it has bowed down in the middle about 10".
It appears to bowing more and more, with each passing winter and I expect it will fail in the near future. Causing whatever damage, I'm unsure.
I just hope that someone isn't injured. Especially me!
I went to apply for a building permit to build a replacement and was informed and that I cannot build this because it is located 3 feet from the property line and the municipal by-law requires 4 feet.
I was told that I can appeal this decision, but the appeal fee would be in the neighborhood of $700. And it could be denied.
As the cost of material for this project is approximately $700, this seems to be exorbitant.
I believe that this by-law is unfair and ill conceived.
I think that if I'm charged and taken before a judge, that he will agree with me and quash their inane ruling!
So that is why, I will build without a permit!
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07-24-2008, 11:53 AM
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I would be interested in any comment about my predictament!
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07-24-2008, 12:23 PM
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I would go to the appeals board for an exception. you have an alum structure there now they might take that into consideration. $700.00 sounds high. here on the island its $150. The original canopy should of had snow supports under the center that you remove after the winter season. that's why she sagged. also how well do you get along with your neighbors, if you proceed with out the proper permits they could drop a quarter on you and then you'll have to apply anyway, plus fines.
Just my 2 cents Good luck BOB
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07-24-2008, 04:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buletbob
I would go to the appeals board for an exception. you have an alum structure there now they might take that into consideration. $700.00 sounds high. here on the island its $150. The original canopy should of had snow supports under the center that you remove after the winter season. that's why she sagged. also how well do you get along with your neighbors, if you proceed with out the proper permits they could drop a quarter on you and then you'll have to apply anyway, plus fines.
Just my 2 cents Good luck BOB
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Thanks for your reply Bob! There's no problem with the neighbors, as their carport has been built to the property line, which is not allowed, so the last guy they want to see around here is an inspector.
I have been supporting the centre with 2X4's, but I was out of the country last year and wasn't here to place them. Of course they could have placed before I left, but in rush to get away, I never thought of it.
I've only owned this property for two winters.
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07-24-2008, 06:47 PM
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Not to play Devil's advocate, but the structure you seem to be planning requires a proper footing and foundation, none of which you have with the current structure. If they discover it, the whole thing might have to be taken down.
Ron
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07-25-2008, 02:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron6519
Not to play Devil's advocate, but the structure you seem to be planning requires a proper footing and foundation, none of which you have with the current structure. If they discover it, the whole thing might have to be taken down.
Ron
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The devil has been to my door already Ron. The present concrete deck was built on a poured foundation. The earth was excavated down, 24" and formed up 24". The soil is a sandy loam.
The inspection office has informed me that it must have footings down to the 48" level.
It is my intention to install piers at suitable intervals to support the existing foundation.
This was to be my next question to the forum! As to whether piers would be acceptable or does it have to be a continuous footing?
I hate to undermine the existing foundation, as it has been stable for 50 years and I'm concerned that I will lose this.
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07-26-2008, 07:23 AM
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I would not worry about the whole foundation! You said the only support is going to be two 6x6"s This is where you need the footings. 12"x 12"x48"
BOB
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07-26-2008, 03:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buletbob
I would not worry about the whole foundation! You said the only support is going to be two 6x6"s This is where you need the footings. 12"x 12"x48"
BOB
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Could you enlarge on what size for the footing. As I plan to rest the 6"X6" posts on the corner of the concrete deck, which rests on a 8" concrete wall, that has 24" in the ground.I would like to support the wall with a 8" (circular)X24"(high) pier that rests on a 16"X16"X4" pad.
Would this be a problem?
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07-26-2008, 11:06 PM
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I'm Sure the foundation is strong enough to carry the 6x6 and what your going to impose upon it, Bu the frost line is what I would be concerned about , Did you say it was 4' in you region? could you under pin the corner 12" on either side and fill with concrete. then you will be fine.
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