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Old 02-03-2012, 06:37 AM   #1
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I opened up a wall to do some remodeling in a bathroom and encountered what looks to be an issue underneath my stairs. The header at the top of the stairs is resting on the ribbon at what used to be the outside wall (the space I'm working in is a single floor addition). At some point in the last 120 years, the ribbon has begun to work itself away from about 3 of the studs. What's the best way to stabilize this situation?

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Old 02-03-2012, 06:38 AM   #2
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Here's a picture of the issue.
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Don't know what a ribbon is, don't know what we're looking at.
You mean rim joist?
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This is what I'm talking about.
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The let in ledger is the ribbon.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:24 AM   #6
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How much has the house settled on the opposing side? Take a framing level to a reasonably flat floor. Or use my trick and let a round marble or ball bearing loose. It will head for low ground.
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And here's a better picture. I'm pointing at the area the first picture was taken.
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I can't figure out what I am looking at but if the ribbon is pulled away some beat it back and nail it tight if you can.

I have used lags to draw it tight in some situations.

Does it look like it is recently moved? raw wood etc?
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I was thinking to pound it back into place, but that might pull it from something else, no? I assume the stuff behind it is the original part of the house, so maybe it will be ok.
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If you are moving from left to right ( the picture with your finger) it appears that you are moving along the stringer. If so I agree with the suggestion to lag it back into position as the ribbon isn't supporting floor joists in that region.
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What the second picture is is a view from the addition. So originally, this would have been the outside of the house. The floor joists on the second floor appear to be running parallel to the 1x4 ribbon you see in the picture. The header at the top of the stairs (not sure if that's the right terminology) is resting on the ribbon. The ribbon has pulled away towards the inside in the area of that header. It seems to go back to normal a couple studs in either direction. There does not appear to be any raw wood.

I was thinking of trying to pound or press it back in place, attach it with a bracket to the stud, and then adding a 2x4 between the studs in the picture right underneath the header.
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I was thinking to pound it back into place, but that might pull it from something else, no? I assume the stuff behind it is the original part of the house, so maybe it will be ok.
Use screws.
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The stair header has plenty of end bearing as it extends past the ribbon (overhangs). I'd throw a C clamp on the assembly and press it back into position, re-fasten and move on.
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Don't use screws, clamps or new nails.
Just hammer the existing nails back in and the 'let in' will follow.
It will probably last another 100 years.

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Don't use screws, clamps or new nails.
Just hammer the existing nails back in and the 'let in' will follow.
It will probably last another 100 years.

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