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Focker 04-23-2013 02:28 PM

Back Patio Landing Advice/Ideas
 
I have a sliding back door to a large covered patio (30yr old home). The threshold is a problem for older guests...That first step down is horrible for them (Grandma). I'd like to build a wooden landing with a hand rail over the existing step. The step will never see snow or water so I'm not worried about seepage into the dining room. From what I understand, I should build out from the opening 34" (The door is 36")...Is this necessary? I was thinking 24" (Current step is 17") and I'm looking for a way to do this without anchoring posts into the patio.

Thoughts? Please don't blast me with code rules...I can always remove it if/when we sell.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/5...0423112604.jpg

Two Knots 04-23-2013 02:39 PM

why not just make a wooden rail, attach it to the house and drill
through the cement to anchor it. I find nothing wrong with the depth
of the step. The height you have there already looks to be higher
than normal.
cladding it with wood, will make it even higher.
Think about painting it and paint the rest of the patio as well.

GBrackins 04-23-2013 05:25 PM

I would use 3 risers (equally spaced, 5.5" more or less per riser) and three threads. treads should be around 14.5" (two 2x8's), could make it wider though ...... this should be comfortable for older guest, I know I would be

top thread level with inside floor, this should put you past the concrete step. set your stringers at about 16" center to center

do understand however that code requirements usually come about because of injuries or other things that go wrong ...... thus the reasons for a landing at least as wide as the opening, and extending out 36" in the direction of travel. I know, I know you didn't want codes, sorry

Focker 04-23-2013 05:36 PM

Would you go the whole width of the slider? I just recently thought of going 40" wide... Dunno?

GBrackins 04-23-2013 05:42 PM

actually I'd go a little wider so that I could put in a handrail attached to the wall on each side. could be used as a "bench" for sitting except when those with mobility issues need to use it

oldhouseguy 04-23-2013 06:51 PM

Just my 2 cents, if you don't go as wide or wider than the slider, I think it will look weird.

Maybe I am misunderstanding.

Focker 04-23-2013 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBrackins (Post 1165776)
I would use 3 risers (equally spaced, 5.5" more or less per riser) and three threads. treads should be around 14.5" (two 2x8's)...
top thread level with inside floor...

I like these ideas and your feedback on code/safety.
I picked up the lumber and was planning on using 4X4's as legs, 2X6's as joists and 2X8's for treads as you suggested. But when I was doing a mock up I discovered I could use the 2X8's as joist's just sitting on the step and patio (NEVER gets wet). My only change is to use 2 risers VS your 3.
http://imageshack.us/a/img541/6766/i...0423174213.jpg

The top of the tread will be a slider height.
http://imageshack.us/a/img580/9418/i...0423174310.jpg

Using (1) 2X4 and (2) 2X6's as treads will give me the 14.5" you suggested.
http://imageshack.us/a/img21/64/img20130423174414.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldhouseguy (Post 1165841)
Just my 2 cents, if you don't go as wide or wider than the slider, I think it will look weird.

Maybe I am misunderstanding.

You understood correctly and I agree...Too weird.

mae-ling 04-23-2013 08:22 PM

better to haver a gap in case the step shifts so 2x6 may be better in this case then 2x8 right on the steps.

jomama45 04-23-2013 08:28 PM

I realize that you're trying to keep this as simple as possible, but there's a good reason the existing risers were awkward: It's not because the step wasn't flush with the interior floor but that the risers were, and will still be, too high. Effectively, your mock-up proposed steps don't solve this problem at all, they just move the problem outside a foot. You really need to make a total of 3 risers out of that transition if you want it to be comfortable for anyone over age 40, and safe fro anyone over age 60.............

Focker 04-23-2013 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jomama45 (Post 1165914)
Effectively, your mock-up proposed steps don't solve this problem at all, they just move the problem outside a foot. You really need to make a total of 3 risers out of that transition if you want it to be comfortable for anyone over age 40, and safe fro anyone over age 60.............

Great points. The main problem is they trip over the stupid slider track...It doesn't help that the first step out of the house is a big drop.

I'll consider your advice...I'm not afraid of the extra work...I just had an epiphany during mock up.

InspectorZo 04-23-2013 09:05 PM

Hey there,
You're getting lots of good ideas, so I will not repeat a single one... hehe.
Also, I promise not to code slap you. I get what your looking to do.
I chimed in to add a single point. If you intend to use non-treated lumber against/over the concrete, place them over some 30lb roofing paper to prevent quick decay.
Good luck, :thumbsup:

InspectorZo


Quote:

Originally Posted by Focker (Post 1165882)
I like these ideas and your feedback on code/safety.
I picked up the lumber and was planning on using 4X4's as legs, 2X6's as joists and 2X8's for treads as you suggested. But when I was doing a mock up I discovered I could use the 2X8's as joist's just sitting on the step and patio (NEVER gets wet). My only change is to use 2 risers VS your 3.
http://imageshack.us/a/img541/6766/i...0423174213.jpg

The top of the tread will be a slider height.
http://imageshack.us/a/img580/9418/i...0423174310.jpg

Using (1) 2X4 and (2) 2X6's as treads will give me the 14.5" you suggested.
http://imageshack.us/a/img21/64/img20130423174414.jpg

You understood correctly and I agree...Too weird.


Focker 04-23-2013 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InspectorZo (Post 1165960)
If you intend to use non-treated lumber against/over the concrete, place them over some 30lb roofing paper to prevent quick decay.
Good luck

Great tip will do...I'm planning on using exterior house paint with primer.

Focker 04-23-2013 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBrackins (Post 1165776)
I would use 3 risers (equally spaced, 5.5" more or less per riser) and three threads.

I'm sorry for this dumb question, are you including the tread in the riser height? Basically I just have to have 3 platforms of equal height?

GBrackins 04-24-2013 06:06 AM

3 platforms of equal height, so yes the thread's thickness is included

hammerlane 04-24-2013 06:36 AM

Before and After. All we did was basically build 2 boxes out of 2x8 PT lumber then attach one on top the other. Used the composite decking for the treads and skirting.

These are not attached to the house. They are sort of 'free standing"


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