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Old 02-11-2009, 06:30 AM   #31
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You don't think too highly of us here in NC do you?
I don't know why you would say that, my older brother lives in NC with his wife, their 2 kids and their grandson.

I don't think too highly of people who want to be a contractor yet they don't bother getting licensed, getting the homeowner to pull the permit is one way unlicensed people try to get around licensing laws.

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I don't know why you would say that, my older brother lives in NC with his wife, their 2 kids and their grandson.

I don't think too highly of people who want to be a contractor yet they don't bother getting licensed, getting the homeowner to pull the permit is one way unlicensed people try to get around licensing laws.
All you have done is insult me in from the very beginning and almost every post,,,plus the engineer, as If we have never built anything before, just beginning or something.. and jumped to one conclusion to another with out care or thought to your words. Either you can't read or wont' read, or I am bad at explaining over the web here

I think I explained our business model and why I don't have GC license.. Question, Should I run out get my GC for one project for a friend? This is very basic project management.. Those tests take lots of prep time...you can't just run down there and take the test and expect to pass..

Like I said, if I choose to do HO renovations in the future on a consistent bases, I will certainly work to do so.

I work for me and on my own properties..Nothing unlawful about that..and our renovations are way above your assumptions of paint and caulk. WE pull permits on all our renovations... Most do not!

Lay off the lecture on Licenced people being competent and legal.

I have met too many licenced businesses that are crooks, bad business managers, have low standards of quality workmanship and simply don't know how to handle homeowners. Zero people skills.

A GC It's not the be all and end all.. I respect the fact you have worked hard and studied for yours...fine. Great... But based on your lack of respect for me and others you know little about, I wouldn't hire you.. This forum is not a good place to try to think you know someone.. If we met in person, we might have a mutual respect.

I think if you market your business as a re modeler and you do this everyday for a living, then you should have your license.. Yes, we agree..

Now unless, you have something positive or constructive to add, lets end this back and forth...
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All you have done is insult me in from the very beginning and almost every post,,,plus the engineer, as If we have never built anything before, just beginning or something.. and jumped to one conclusion to another with out care or thought to your words. Either you can't read or wont' read, or I am bad at explaining over the web here

I think I explained our business model and why I don't have GC license.. Question, Should I run out get my GC for one project for a friend? This is very basic project management.. Those tests take lots of prep time...you can't just run down there and take the test and expect to pass..

Like I said, if I choose to do HO renovations in the future on a consistent bases, I will certainly work to do so.

I work for me and on my own properties..Nothing unlawful about that..and our renovations are way above your assumptions of paint and caulk. WE pull permits on all our renovations... Most do not!

Lay off the lecture on Licenced people being competent and legal.

I have met too many licenced businesses that are crooks, bad business managers, have low standards of quality workmanship and simply don't know how to handle homeowners. Zero people skills.

A GC It's not the be all and end all.. I respect the fact you have worked hard and studied for yours...fine. Great... But based on your lack of respect for me and others you know little about, I wouldn't hire you.. This forum is not a good place to try to think you know someone.. If we met in person, we might have a mutual respect.

I think if you market your business as a re modeler and you do this everyday for a living, then you should have your license.. Yes, we agree..

Now unless, you have something positive or constructive to add, lets end this back and forth...
You are acting as a GC, yet you don't have a couple of hours to take the test??

In NC the Residential contractors exam is 2 hours, Building contractors exam is 3.5 hours.

With your 20 years experience it should be an easy test, I am sure I could pass it with no problem.

My Florida Certified Building Contractors exam was 19 hours over 2 days and I was able to pass it.

Since I already have 2 certified licenses my plumbing contractors exam i take next weds. will only be 9 hours.
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We recently got our house appraised for a refi. The lady came out and started doing her thing, we got down to the unfinished basement and I made a comment about finishing it, and if we just painted the ceiling (and all the wires/plumbing/HVAC ducts etc.) black would that count?

Her response was that she would count it but others may not. She went on to say that last night there was a big thread on the internet debating this very subject......in my mind I rolled my eyes. Look lady either it counts or it doesn't I don't want some internet warrior out here putting a value on my house based on a bunch of want-to-be home inspectors arguing about it on the internet.

Now do I really care that she was on the internet look for answers? No, she just assigns a value to our home. However, if the GC I hired to engineer a new beam to replace those stupid poles in the middle of our basement was on a DIY public chatroom looking for answers as to how to install it...well....that would tell me that I should have just done it all myself, as he didn't no what the **** he was doing.

I read the whole thread. I actually understand the problem. I say cut the rectangle in the brick, install your ledger the way God intended, and then finish the job. Why are you letting the homeowner tell you how to do it, you tell them how to do it and they write the check. You let them second guess you and the power has shifted. They start to wonder...hmmm....why didn't he think of that, or how is it that I the lowly homeowner was able to give the professional a useful solution......

Or just buy a few big ass umbrella's for the deck and call it good.....
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Lust don't forget to cut out enough brick for the flashing over the ledger and under the moisture barrier above the brick.

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We recently got our house appraised for a refi. The lady came out and started doing her thing, we got down to the unfinished basement and I made a comment about finishing it, and if we just painted the ceiling (and all the wires/plumbing/HVAC ducts etc.) black would that count?

Her response was that she would count it but others may not. She went on to say that last night there was a big thread on the Internet debating this very subject......in my mind I rolled my eyes. Look lady either it counts or it doesn't I don't want some Internet warrior out here putting a value on my house based on a bunch of want-to-be home inspectors arguing about it on the Internet.

Now do I really care that she was on the Internet look for answers? No, she just assigns a value to our home. However, if the GC I hired to engineer a new beam to replace those stupid poles in the middle of our basement was on a DIY public chatroom looking for answers as to how to install it...well....that would tell me that I should have just done it all myself, as he didn't no what the **** he was doing.

I read the whole thread. I actually understand the problem. I say cut the rectangle in the brick, install your ledger the way God intended, and then finish the job. Why are you letting the homeowner tell you how to do it, you tell them how to do it and they write the check. You let them second guess you and the power has shifted. They start to wonder...hmmm....why didn't he think of that, or how is it that I the lowly homeowner was able to give the professional a useful solution......

Or just buy a few big ass umbrella's for the deck and call it good.....

Well thanks for the post

Your pretty jacked up too...I love the confidence..Just tear down that brick.. Well I got news for you, thats one way, not the only way!. I have spoken to 2 local professional licensed re-modelers this morning.. that deal with this exact situation in upscale neighborhoods.. There is no correct or wrong way.. It has to be engineered not matter what. They have done it on both ways.. and on new construction as I said earlier, the porches are framed 5 1/2" away from the wall, and the brick comes thru the porch(Visualize).. What does that tell you? The Ledger is not directly placed on the studs or rim joists..on new construction..It's blocked out.. That's how we did it 15 years ago in Texas, that how they do it here

Look there are many ways to engineer a problem or create a solution to what you want to do. Thats for Engineers.. A GC isn't an Engineer.. a GC is really nothing more than a project manager.. He hires competent licenced people like Plumbers, Electricians, HVAC and so on.. he isn't doing the actual work, his job is get the right people on the job.

As I stated earlier, removing the brick was the first thing I brought to their attention.. But we both agree we would look at other options.

Yes I admit, I have never removed brick in the middle of a beautiful house in order to secure a ledger board.. I guess that makes me over my head. In your opinion..fine your entitled too that. Licensed or not, a contractor has to one day cross the bridge and figure the way..

I made a bad mistake coming here DYI (What was I thinking? LOL!...because you people must think everyone here is an idiot and yet your GC police to tell us how you know it all..Amazing

Your honesty is compounded with arrogance and folly.

Are you done now?

Re-modeling construction is a process. and when challenges come up, decisions have to be made. simple as that. I am simply doing my due dilgence as any good GC would do before work begins.
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Well thanks for the post

Your pretty jacked up too...I love the confidence..Just tear down that brick.. Well I got news for you, thats one way, not the only way!. I have spoken to 2 local professional licensed re-modelers this morning.. that deal with this exact situation in upscale neighborhoods.. There is no correct or wrong way.. It has to be engineered not matter what. They have done it on both ways.. and on new construction as I said earlier, the porches are framed 5 1/2" away from the wall, and the brick comes thru the porch(Visualize).. What does that tell you? The Ledger is not directly placed on the studs or rim joists..on new construction..It's blocked out.. That's how we did it 15 years ago in Texas, that how they do it here

Look there are many ways to engineer a problem or create a solution to what you want to do. Thats for Engineers.. A GC isn't an Engineer.. a GC is really nothing more than a project manager.. He hires competent licenced people like Plumbers, Electricians, HVAC and so on.. he isn't doing the actual work, his job is get the right people on the job.

As I stated earlier, removing the brick was the first thing I brought to their attention.. But we both agree we would look at other options.

Yes I admit, I have never removed brick in the middle of a beautiful house in order to secure a ledger board.. I guess that makes me over my head. In your opinion..fine your entitled too that. Licensed or not, a contractor has to one day cross the bridge and figure the way..

I made a bad mistake coming here DYI (What was I thinking? LOL!...because you people must think everyone here is an idiot and yet your GC police to tell us how you know it all..Amazing

Your honesty is compounded with arrogance and folly.

Are you done now?

Re-modeling construction is a process. and when challenges come up, decisions have to be made. simple as that. I am simply doing my due dilgence as any good GC would do before work begins.
Part of your due diligence would be getting properly licensed wouldn't it?

I am not aware of any good general contractor that needs to ask advice and shop for the answer he is looking for on a DIY forum.

What would you think of a Surgeon (licensed or not) who was going to operate on you asking for advice on a DIY forum?

Would you take your dog to a Vet that didn't have a license, even though he had been doing it over 20 years and treated 500 dogs in the past?
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Knock it off gentlemen. The flaming and attacks on peoples' knowledge and integrity will not be tolerated on this site. If a contractor wants to ask a question on this site they're welcome to do so, or they're also welcome to visit our sister site, www.contractortalk.com.

This thread needs to get back on topic right now.
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Knock it off gentlemen. The flaming and attacks on peoples' knowledge and integrity will not be tolerated on this site. If a contractor wants to ask a question on this site they're welcome to do so, or they're also welcome to visit our sister site, www.contractortalk.com.

This thread needs to get back on topic right now.
What is your definition of a contractor?

Is a guy without a license having a Homeowner pulling a permit considered a contractor?
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To get back to where we were a while back, after a careful check I can't find any relevant code requirements beyond the requirement that the veneer wall support nothing but it's own weight.
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What is your definition of a contractor?

Is a guy without a license having a Homeowner pulling a permit considered a contractor?
I would not recommend attempting to drag a site moderator into your little vortex. As stated in my previous post, this issue needs to be dropped right now. No more. Period.
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It seems to me that there is too much mud slinging here and not enough attention being paid to the actual first post and problem. I would like to add this: I will start on a project tomorrow (Monday) where the homeowner has a Pergola built just three years ago. The person they hired stated that he was indeed a "Licensed Contractor" (which turned out to be not true, and his work showed so). The "contractor" attached sections of 2 x 6 PT lumber to the brick wall of the house using plastic anchors and dry wall screws, and in turn attached 2 x 6 x 12' long boards perpendicular to these on 6" centers for the Pergola. Some sections of the 2 x 6 ledgers have actually fallen off of the brick wall now as the dry wall screws have rusted out. The brick wall on the rear of the home, if viewed from the side has actually bowed out from the framing of the house by the weight of this Pergola, probably before parts of it fell. I DO NOT ever attach anything to a brick wall of a house which would use the brick wall for structural integrity. The homeowners did not even know that a brick wall is only for looks, it's just attached to the wall with little sheet metal brick ties. The new Pergola will be free standing on it's own 6 x6 post, new cross beams, and the 2 x 6's will be on 12" centers for looks now. Decorative pieces will be used on the corners on to brace the system together. So, to each his/her own, but I won't use a brick wall for support of another structure. That's just me, David
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I just removed two posts from this thread that were nothing short of mudslinging insults back and forth between two posters...After a pretty clear warning.


I said it once and I'll say it again, for the last time. If you can't be nice you don't need to be here, we don't need you here, and your account and IP address will be removed from this site permanently. If futher insulting posts are made in this thread, the offending poster will mysterioulsy find themselves unable to access DIY Chatroom the next time they come here to spread their bad mood around.

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I'm interested in the answer you discovered. What did you end up doing?

Pics?

I'm thinking of doing the same job to my own house - but securing the roof through the brick has me stumped.

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Your are looking a pretty old thread and I suspect you will not get an answer. My 2 cents worth... I never would attach anything structural to brick veneer and I would not bolt through it. I am not an contractor or an engineer but I have many projects under my belt and a fair understanding for residential construction.

From my prospective the problem with attaching to brick veneer is obvious so I will not get into that. The problem with bolting through the brick to the joist, rim joist or to blocking is less obvious. What you do not see is the space between the framing and the brick. So when you tighten the bolts you are pulling the brick and the framing together or at least causing stress in that direction. Even more critical, in effect you are creating a small lever with the bolt that rests (the fulcrum) on the brick veneer. Never should the brick veneer support anything but it own weight. So the only way I see to do something like this is to remove enough brick to get a solid connection to the framing. Or... be sure the roof is fully supported by some other means. If the roof is entirely supported by posts then maybe there is no problem bolting through the brick veneer to the rim joist or framing.

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