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Old 07-20-2010, 11:56 AM   #16
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Hmm.... the idea of the free standing deck is appealing because it would be a lot less intrusive on the vinyl siding.

It does, however, give me a bit of an eerie feeling because .... well because it's free standing and it would be 30" or so above ground.

I just found this - what do you think of "Detail 4" on it?

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#4 looks like a good detail for your situation.
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Gary:

Does this help with explaining the parking?
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Does this help with explaining the parking?
#4 isn't a good solution because your post is buried in tha ground.
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#4 isn't a good solution because your post is buried in tha ground.
I was actually coming to that realization right as i was reading your post.

Oh well... the hell with it. Taking off the siding isn't a huge deal afterall.
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IMO, a free standing deck is a superior solution at 30" or 130" - the logic is the same.

If you are determined to attach to the house, have you considered http://deckbracket.com/printable.html
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IMO, a free standing deck is a superior solution at 30" or 130" - the logic is the same.

If you are determined to attach to the house, have you considered http://deckbracket.com/printable.html
I did find that website earlier today. Just out of curiosity: what aspects of a free standing deck do you feel make it superior?
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I always recommended dropping the deck 6 inches also as there is always the potential problem with leaves blowing into the house as well as snow build up against the door. I always flashed the 2X against the house with a Z type flashing so no water could run behind the 2X.

I always made an aluminum pan to go under the doors so any blowing water would run back out, instead of into the house or soak into the wooden members below the doors.

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I did find that website earlier today. Just out of curiosity: what aspects of a free standing deck do you feel make it superior?
It eliminates all issues with deck attachment and flashing.

This is a big advantage, as 1) deck attachments to supporting structures must constructed and flashed with fanatical attention to detail if they are to be reliably and durably watertight and 2) there are many ledger attachment details which are typically not considered or preformed properly (ex: determining the strength of concrete before specifying attachment methods).

Often, DYIers and contractors alike assume that if they carefully follow rigorous standards (for example, they flash to "coastal construction" standards) there will be no subsequent problems. In my experience this is not the case - anytime you are cutting into siding and attaching a wooden ledger to the structure of a frame building, there is a significant chance you will have water penetration behind the ledger from one source or another.

Given a history of such problems, when you have a method available which eliminates the most common and serious problems associated with a project and has few downsides, the question IMO becomes "why not do it this way"?

Building departments are coming to see it the same way, and some in my area now strongly encourage the construction of free standing rather than attached decks.
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Michael Thomas:
After reading your post I started reading about free standing decks and given my situation I really do not see a reason NOT to build it.

This would actually make the operation "fairly simple" - i'd be looking at a 16x16 freestanding deck somewhere around 30" off the ground with railings on 2 sides and stairs on the 3rd.

Thanks for your input - do yo have any pointers on what to use to design the deck?
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What Michael Thomas says sounds very reasonable. Does anyone have any negatives about free standing decks?
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A deck would look great there but That sure looks like a nice place for a stone patio rather than decking. Just a thought.
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A deck would look great there but That sure looks like a nice place for a stone patio rather than decking. Just a thought.
That was my original plan, here is why it changed:

Once the door is in, stairs will be needed to bring the level down to the patio, if you factor in stairs plus a little step outside before the level drops it's going to take away from the space AANNNDDDD - I don't know if you can see the hill in the background, but there are remnants of a GIANT tree root which limits how far back the patio can go.

With the deck I can keep the level the same and have usable space as soon as you step out.
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Is it just me, or does it just feel a little nicer to be elevated above the ground instead of sitting on a patio at ground level?
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Is it just me, or does it just feel a little nicer to be elevated above the ground instead of sitting on a patio at ground level?
All depends upon the circumstances
I have a deck off the back of the house due to the elevation
In some cases doesn't make sense to step down onto a patio from a door
If its 1 step or less its not bad, that is what I had at my last house
Our pool area is all patio, with one ground level deck off the back of the patio due to the slope (and free PT wood)

One friends house they have a raised deck...very high off the ground
Pool is at ground level w/patio
So most of their time is spent at the ground level patio

Another house they have a raised deck & an above ground pool right off the raised deck

In a way I prefer a stone patio...it won't rot
Zero chance of it falling, usually will not cause the house to rot

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