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Old 07-17-2010, 09:19 PM   #1
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This is a picture of my backyard. You can see where I have slaved for the past few weeks to get rid of the pachysandra (sp?) that seemed to have ruled the yard before we bought the house.

You can kind of make out the sticks - that's where the deck is going to go. It's going to be somewhere between 22" and 24" off the ground so it'll be an easy walk-out. That big window you see will be replaced by a glass slider eventually.

I'd like to build the deck before putting in the door for various reasons. Mainly because the door is going to involve moving a vent and some other stuff and the deck would get my patio furniture off the lawn and the grill out of my driveway....

Any reasons why I would consider not doing this, or is there not anything wrong with my idea?




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I'd buid the deck first so I wouldn't have to stand on a ladder to do the door.

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I'd get a permit first and possibly a variance to the neighbor's if that's the dividing fence 3' away.... . The HVAC will be moved only to the dead side of the door, add tile at the entrance to ease any flooring matching/repair problems. Check the window height/width for the new door now.
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Pete,
There's no reason you can't build the deck first. It will be very simple to transfer your finish interior floor height to the outside so you can build your deck at the right height. You could take the bottom couple rows of siding off to attach your ledger and flash it properly.
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I always like at least a 6" step down from the house to the deck due to snow around here
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I always like at least a 6" step down from the house to the deck due to snow around here
I like a small step down as well. A 6" drop would put the walking surface of the patio right in the middle of the second-to-last piece of siding which I think is a good height.

Now onto the 2nd part of the problem ... figuring out how the heck the siding is held on
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If you do get the snow, go for it! If only for looks, remember if your house joists are 2x6, you may be rotor-hammering through-bolts in the concrete wall now instead of in wood. More money for longer bolts - 8"/4", time and effort. Depends on the joist and beam spans, may have the beams sitting on the pier brackets without posts since working with 22"- a little harder, but do-able.

Interesting parking......

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I think bolting to the foundation would be worth the effort in this case. If for any other reason just to eliminate any potential ledger to wall leak issues.
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Good point, Ron! That didn't even enter my mind, after you find and fix that problem so many times you don't think it could be done wrong today with all the information available on the web for correct procedure. That would be safer for a DIY'er. Still scratching my head on the Toyota there........

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If for any other reason just to eliminate any potential ledger to wall leak issues.
If it's done right he won't have leak issues.
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Good point, Ron! That didn't even enter my mind, after you find and fix that problem so many times you don't think it could be done wrong today with all the information available on the web for correct procedure. That would be safer for a DIY'er. Still scratching my head on the Toyota there........

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Even though he's a DIY'er, he should be doing it right. If he finds out how to do it right first and gets permits and inspections he won't have any problems with leaks. If he doesn't find out how to do it right and get permits and inspections and does have leaks, that's his problems and he gets what he deserves.

Why should he do something that's safer and go into block if he doesn't have to because he might not do the job the right way from the start?

If DIY'ers want to tackle projects, they HAVE to do it the right way just like the professionals like you and me should be doing it.
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If it's done right he won't have leak issues.
That’s true but there was talk about a step down because of snow buildup.
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Well, that's what I was talking about also........ Sure is slow tonight, not many posters.......

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LOL. What's so weird about the Toyota there?
It's my wife's car. My car is in the garage (to the left of the toyota) and if we pull her car forward like that we can leave in either car because the driveway narrows as it goes by the house.

Well I'm kinda glad this came up, for some reason I just liked the idea of mounting the ledger into the concrete but I did not tink it was going to be an option since the deck height will be above that, but you are saying that shouldn't be a problem?
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In that situation I would install the door, then build free standing deck:



- http://www.deckmagazine.com/article/62.html

and eliminate the ledger attachment and flashing issues entirely

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