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how do i wrap wood windows with aluminum?

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Look at this.

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Look at this.

That video covers the basics,but is a far
cry from professional .
Face nailing trim and cutting the header
trim without wrapping it to cover the top corner
are two dead give-aways that these guys
have no idea what they're doing.


What exactly do you need to know stropf?
Are you covering existing casings without residing?
What is on the house now for siding?
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We’re talking DIY here, not Super Pro.

The video certainly shows the basics, tool required, etc.
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We’re talking DIY here, not Super Pro.

The video certainly shows the basics, tool required, etc.

Sure!
Let them just get it done!
Who cares if water seeps in and rots everything?
More work for the trades in the future
or
a hidden nightmare for the next buyer.

What's your point?
DYI's shouldn't be instructed to do things so
they will last?
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We’re talking DIY here, not Super Pro.

Can you explain why it is that you think a DIY'er shouldn't know the right way to do something?

What is a "Super Pro"?
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Can you explain why it is that you think a DIY'er shouldn't know the right way to do something?

What is a "Super Pro"?
I never insinuated that DIY shouldn’t be shown to do things the right way. I couldn’t imagine what would make you think that.
OP asked a question, the video answered it showing the basics of wrapping a window. Yes, the guy didn’t fold down the top over the sides. I also see so called pros just c cap and face nail the trim and be done with it. At least he bent a flange into it. The 4 min vid shows more than anyone could get across here in a few paragraphs and more than enough info for OP to decide if it’s something he wants to tackle.

“Super Pro” lives down the street from “Super Framer”. I’m sure you at least know that guy.
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Sure!
Let them just get it done!
Who cares if water seeps in and rots everything?
More work for the trades in the future
or
a hidden nightmare for the next buyer.

What's your point?
DYI's shouldn't be instructed to do things so
they will last?
Personally I like to wrap my trim with a good primer and two coats of paint.

I see time and time again where the new vinyl siding and wrapped everything else is there to hide the nightmares. Throw a little frosting on the cake and sell it.

I tear off far more plastic wrapped houses than I install.
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Personally I like to wrap my wood with a good primer and two coats of paint.

I see time and time again where the new vinyl siding and wrapped everything else is there to hide the nightmares. Throw a little frosting on the cake and sell it.

I tear off far more plastic wrapped houses than I install.

Hey Ron,
I'm sure you do good work and didn't intend to
give the OP a bum steer,but I've see this video
before and would probably have used it as
an example how not to wrap windows.

A lot of people go to the internet for advice
and some aren't too careful about where
that advice comes from or if its even
good advice.

That video does damage in a lot of ways:
It makes the finished product look like crap
It doesn't address water infiltration problems
It makes the whole industry look like a
bunch of "cover it up"guys.

Properly done trim,with integrated J and
flashing to direct water out from behind the
siding would help alleviate some of the
"vinyl siding leaks" myths.


Hopefully the OP will benefit from the
knowledge that a little common sense
will go a long way in protecting his investment
and take the steps to ensure a proper
installation.
I f he was to follow that video for a client,
it would just make all installers look bad.

Do you see where I'm going with this?
OP asked how to do it.
Giving him that video was only
enough info to get him in trouble.

Here's some examples of what I consider
proper techniques for siding and trim:
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Hey Ron,
I'm sure you do good work and didn't intend to
give the OP a bum steer,but I've see this video
before and would probably have used it as
an example how not to wrap windows.

A lot of people go to the internet for advice
and some aren't too careful about where
that advice comes from or if its even
good advice.

That video does damage in a lot of ways:
It makes the finished product look like crap
It doesn't address water infiltration problems
It makes the whole industry look like a
bunch of "cover it up"guys.

Properly done trim,with integrated J and
flashing to direct water out from behind the
siding would help alleviate some of the
"vinyl siding leaks" myths.


Hopefully the OP will benefit from the
knowledge that a little common sense
will go a long way in protecting his investment
and take the steps to ensure a proper
installation.
I f he was to follow that video for a client,
it would just make all installers look bad.

Do you see where I'm going with this?
OP asked how to do it.
Giving him that video was only
enough info to get him in trouble.

Here's some examples of what I consider
proper techniques for siding and trim:
Nice try, now lets think like a rain drop for a moment.

As we all should know vinyl siding is anything but water tight. Water can enter at the seams. Water does enter where the siding meets the J-channel and corners. The siding notched under a window is a notorious entry point for Mr. Raindrop. A zero overhang gable end is as bad as it gets with water cascading down the face of your foam.

Pic. #1. I see nothing there that keeping the water from intruding behind the foam and getting behind the flanges of the window. Frankly, that detail scares me a little bit.

Pic. #2. Might make sense if the foil tape was over the sides and then the head of the RM flanges. As shown I see nothing from keeping water from getting behind the box.

Pic. #3. Well there’s some extra protection there but still doesn’t address water running down and the getting behind the foam where if terminates at the window. I would have at least used grey stock.

Do you see where I’m going with this?
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Nice try, now lets think like a rain drop for a moment.



Do you see where I’m going with this?
Good morning Ron,
How are you doing today?

I don't know why I waste my time trying to
help the OP,since he seems to be a fleeting
one-post member.

But you,on the other hand have sparked my
interest.

I don't know what your experience is with
vinyl siding,so I'll just explain my thoughts
and you can draw a conclusion from there.

I learned the trade from an old timer with
30 years of experience.An old Canadian
Frenchman,that believed in doing things right.
That was 35years ago.Now add his experience
to what I have seen and learned.
That's 65 years of tearing off wood,asphalt.
asbestos,and even old vinyl siding jobs.
I learned where the weak spots are and
take extra steps to ensure that when I
leave a job,there will be no damage from
any water infiltration.

Now to your critique of my work.

Lets,as you suggest,think like a raindrop.
Water,as we know will seek the path of least resistance.
Can we agree on that?
With gravity as the determining force here,we can safely say
that's downhill.

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As we all should know vinyl siding is anything but water tight. Water can enter at the seams.
Water would have to travel sideways to enter the seams.
That would go against gravity,never seen it.
As a matter of fact,water is more likely to get behind the butt joints
of wood and cement siding,if the joints aren't properly flashed.

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Water does enter where the siding meets the J-channel and corners.
A driving rain could enter J and corner posts,
but then,the old raindrop will follow its little path of
least resistance,and flow down.
On window J's,extra precautions are taken to
assure that the raindrop is directed out over
the siding,thus the flashing at the bottom of
window sides where the raindrop is encouraged
to exit harmlessly.

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The siding notched under a window is a notorious entry point for Mr. Raindrop
Since the pic I posted is of an unfinished trim detail,
you don't see the sill trim,which has a return to cover
that notch,again,directing "Mr.Raindrop"from
getting behind the siding.

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A zero overhang gable end is as bad as it gets with water cascading down the face of your foam.
On zero overhang projects,the facia is bent with a built in J
and tucked under the existing rake edge,thus alleviating
any possible intrusion,so" Mr.Raindrop "can go on his merry way
without doing any harm.
Take in mind,this is for properly addressed installations.
I've seen what you suggest here,and the same guys that made that video
probably don't do it properly.


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Pic. #1. I see nothing there that keeping the water from intruding behind the foam and getting behind the flanges of the window. Frankly, that detail scares me a little bit.
That's just a shot of how I direct Mr. Raindrop away
from the back of the siding,at the point that the built in
J of the window sides would send him behind the siding.
Once the window trim is complete,there will be no
water intrusion.
If I had a shot of all the steps to completion of the
trim,you'd see how it works.

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Pic. #2. Might make sense if the foil tape was over the sides and then the head of the RM flanges. As shown I see nothing from keeping water from getting behind the box.
Don't really understand what your seeing here,but
once the J-block is completed,with the face plate,
any water getting past the face is directed
over the siding with the flashing detail.
Taping the sides would be assuming that Mr. Raindrop
wants to travel sideways or uphill.
Not a likely occurrence on this planet.

Quote:
Pic. #3. Well there’s some extra protection there but still doesn’t address water running down and the getting behind the foam where if terminates at the window. I would have at least used grey stock.
Maybe you can't tell from the pic,but
the window/foam termination point is protected
by the back side of the built in J of the window trim.
Both the flashing and the J on the roof direct water
over the siding.
Again Mr. Raindrop would have to travel,against
all rules of nature and go sideways(2") to even touch
the foam.


Again,I don't know your experience with vinyl,
but I've used mine to improve on the installation
techniques so commonly seen by other
tradesmen as inferior.That's why
the video you posted gets my goat.

Just admit you're a stubborn old coot,like me,
who tries to do things right and is willing
to discuss a procedure we believe is
questionable so we can all learn from the experience.

Looking forward to butting heads with you again,
if needed.

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