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Old 04-06-2011, 12:40 PM   #16
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4x4 post splitting ... repair? or replace?


well ok, like i said we were trying to maximize our space while saving lumber.
but if we can not use the top at all, or shouldnt the way it is. it just means i need to build out more rooms to store what i originally planned to store up there.

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Old 04-06-2011, 02:52 PM   #17
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Ok, so here are the pics of the effected lumber.









sorry they came out small, posted from my iphone.

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Old 04-07-2011, 03:25 AM   #18
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no further replies huh?
i guess i can use gorilla glue to fix the post...from what someone else was telling me.
is this the route i should go to fix these or are some c-claps or extra bracing the way to go?
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Old 04-07-2011, 06:46 AM   #19
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...gorilla glue? Are you serious?

...its painfully obvious to me that you are going to do what you want, even though you came here asking for help.

...4x4's (especially dried up, split ones) are not adequate support, 2x6 floor joists are too small and overspanned, your headers as you call them will never carry the load on the floor joists, beam to post connections are just plain wrong wrong and I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut everthing is put together with drywall screws.

...on the bright side you keep a tidy work area.

...hire a professional before you kill someone.
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Old 04-07-2011, 07:33 AM   #20
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I have to agree with 12Penny. Put the tools away and hire someone with experience.
You didn't even nail the joist hangers properly.
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...gorilla glue? Are you serious?

...its painfully obvious to me that you are going to do what you want, even though you came here asking for help.
i'm asking bout the gorilla glue cause thats what some contractor said would be good enough so i'm here asking if thats true or if i should use something else. and how is it that i didn't even nail the joist hangers properly? and how can you tell what i nailed, and whether it is correct or not from one picture?

and NO, i am not trying to just do what ever i want. i'm trying to get the help i need to do it right, or fine enough so that it will at least hold up the weight of a floor with no one on top.
but i thought i came on to the DIY forum ... not the put your tools away and hire a professional forum.

plus there is going to be a wall system around and bracing. your looking at something thats 25% done like its all i am going to do.
i am trying to get help on how to do it better, or some ideas on how to correct what i did or improve on whats already built.
but thanks for all the help anyway.

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edwin, edwin, edwin...leave the gorilla glue in the trunk.

To answer your original question I would replace them because i dont think they can be fixed.

The proper nails to attach your Simpson hardware would probably be Simpson 8d galvanized nails. Some others here may prefer 10's. Your local orange store should have them.

You should've just build your floor on top of the "wall system"? Houses have been built that way for hundreds of years.

Keep the pictures coming.
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The proper nails to attach your Simpson hardware would probably be Simpson 8d galvanized nails. Some others here may prefer 10's.
Keep the pictures coming.
well, we used all 10d cause we thought the 8's were light weight.

i'll post more pics later as more is complete.

as i said before, originally i wanted to build 3 big rooms, and utilize the space above those 3 rooms as another 3 rooms.
but nothing is stopping me from building 6 rooms out and not use the top at all except to hold a few sheets of sheathing or plywood.
if it is as 'inadequate' as your all saying. then i dont need to use the top of the rooms. i just need to build extra rooms for the extra storage.

it should be fine the way it is to support itself and a flooring with no one on top correct???
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Boy, that silly Gorilla name and logo sure sells a lot of glue.
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"it should be fine the way it is to support itself and a flooring with no one on top correct??? "
So you're building this structure so it has no top use?
You were going to build 3 of these, again with no purpose. Now you're building 6.
Why don't you build them correctly and make use of all of them?
Or build none of them and save time and money.
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Hi Edwin, I'm not going to jump all over you because I'm not a pro on anything like this.

I think you may appease some of the actual pros here if you drew out a plan and showed them what you plan to do. Then the plan can be critiqued before you add any more sweat equity into the project. You'll get some good advice I'm sure!

Again, I'm not a pro, just a DIYer.

Why even build a ceiling over the room? And if the plan changes such that there will be no load bearing (no people or stuff on top) and you wanted a ceiling just for dust/dirt protection, then you probably don't need those big 2xs.

Anyway, good luck, don't hurt yourself!
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I thought we were watching his back, not jumping on it. Without corrective guidance, he would have built a series of understructured platforms for both people and material. It would have only been a matter of time before the whole thing would have collapsed.
We don't even know the guy and were helping him.
Someone should jump on my back like that.
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So you're building this structure so it has no top use?
You were going to build 3 of these, again with no purpose. Now you're building 6.
Why don't you build them correctly and make use of all of them?
Or build none of them and save time and money.
well i cant build none, being as some are already built. i am trying to build them correctly and make use of all of them.
but if it requires more work and engineering to make 3 with use on top and bottom, than 6 with nothing going on top. then i rather be safe and just build out and not worry about the top. i have plenty of room, i was just trying to save $$$. which it looks like it's not happening anyway.


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... draw out a plan and show what you plan to do. Then the plan can be critiqued before you add any more sweat equity into the project. You'll get some good advice I'm sure!

... if the plan changes such that there will be no load bearing (no people or stuff on top) and you wanted a ceiling just for dust/dirt protection, then you probably don't need those big 2xs.
i will try and see if i can download sketch up or something and try and get some overview plan. or maybe i'll just draw something and try to scan it, so i can post it.
and yeah i think now we arent going to have anything up there so the 2x6 are probably more than i need, but they are already up there so its not going to hurt if its too much for a ceiling.


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I thought we were watching his back, not jumping on it.
no worries, i didnt feel like anyone is jumping on anything. i've been on this forum many times getting advice and help. just started an account now because i couldnt find what i needed thru a search. so now i needed to actually post. but i know how it is.
like i said, i appreciate all the help and replies i'm getting.

also forgive if i am taking a long time to get back to everyone. i'm on west coast time so by the time i get home to check this forum again its probably 8 - 10pm for most of you guys.
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I thought we were watching his back, not jumping on it. Without corrective guidance, he would have built a series of understructured platforms for both people and material. It would have only been a matter of time before the whole thing would have collapsed.
We don't even know the guy and were helping him.
Someone should jump on my back like that.
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Sorry, of course I don't mean to sound like a jerk! I know you guys are helping him, and rightly so. The posts were getting defensive so I was just saying "Hey, let's take a different approach here and show some plans so that everything is clear and proper advise can be given".

I know you guys have given me good advice on safety and time saving before, so I appreciate the "jumping"

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Were are the plans?

Permits?

Do you have any idea what sort of liability issues you’re setting yourself or your boss up for.

The split post should be the least of your worries.

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