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Old 03-02-2010, 06:22 PM   #1
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I want to put a wall the length of this basement but as you can see the joists are running the same direction. Do I just nail 2x4s across the joists and then put my top plate across those 2x4s? and if so should I just nail them into the bottom of the joists or put the cross 2x4 pieces in between the joists and nail them through the sides?

Question number 2: I have a wall that needs to be framed, but the ceiling above has some pvc pipe and what looks to be the gas line going upstairs. These 2 pipes are right where I would put the top plate. How do I frame this wall?

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strap the ceiling with 2x4's should hide those pipes.
Or move them.

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strap the ceiling with 2x4's should hide those pipes.
Or move them.
I know nothing about plumbing and really don't feel comfortable moving pipes that may contain my toilet water So I guess strapping will have to do. Let me google what that even is.

are there any other suggestions or are these 2 my only routes I can take?

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that section will only go as high as the lowest point you are going under. the plate will sit on stud fastened to foundation and nailed to first stud going to ceiling past duct
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I know nothing about plumbing and really don't feel comfortable moving pipes that may contain my toilet water So I guess strapping will have to do. Let me google what that even is.

are there any other suggestions or are these 2 my only routes I can take?
I'd say those are the 2 choices...move them - I wouldn't
or nail up strapping to go lower then the pipes

Strapping is basically just 1x2's to lower the ceiling a little
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I will assume that you understand 'strapping' by now, so I won't address that.

But since it looks like some of your pipes are pretty low, I am enclosing a couple of drawings showing how to lose as little headroom as possible. Yes, this is very simple, but you would be surprised how many people never even consider that you do NOT have to run a full 2x4 under the piping. You only need to set the 2x4's a quarter of an inch or so below the pipes so that drywall will span across under the pipe.
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Also remember that there is no reason to blindly follow the pipes or A/C ducts with the dropped section of your ceiling. (Providing, of course, that you have adequate head clearance.)

Doing that is probably one of the quickest ways to make your basement look exactly like a boxed-in basement. Be imaginative. Create some art in the necessary dropping of that ceiling. Think curves. Think 'stepped' or 'graduated' ceiling height levels. Think 'accents'. Think 'focus points'. Think 'highlights'. Think 'recessed lighting'. "THINK", don't just cover things up because you have to.

When you go out to restaurants and fancy offices or hospitals, theater or hotel lobbies... LOOK UP! Take a look at Mc Donald's ceilings. They are a very good example of how to create interesting ceiling features. TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS !!! Our government spends billions on their buildings. Go look at some of that architecture.

And don't worry. We can help you figure out how to do almost anything to that ceiling your little heart desires. All you have to do is imagine it.
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he's not asking about ceiling just a partition wall under the duct
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I'd say those are the 2 choices...move them - I wouldn't
or nail up strapping to go lower then the pipes

Strapping is basically just 1x2's to lower the ceiling a little
Ok I see what strapping is and it's pretty much what I assumed it was, but how can I possibly nail anything up on that ceiling to lower it a bit with those pipes in the way?

And just to be clear, the pipe issue I am speaking of is illustrated in picture number 2. I had planned on strapping the rest of the ceiling, but the pipes in illustration 2 are in the way of my creating the soffits and framing that wall.

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Need a better idea of where you are building the walls ?
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Need a better idea of where you are building the walls ?
Ok you see the second picture? I want to put an exterior wall up along the concrete foundation of the basement. The area I am having trouble with is I can't see how to put a wall up with those pipes up above running parallel to where I need to put the top plate. There is no joist real estate up there. Maybe I need a better picture for you? Let me know.
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Do you want to go right under that steel beam?
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I would frame out from the vent all the way over to the steel beam
Enclose the whole area...then build a wall under as needed
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I would frame out from the vent all the way over to the steel beam
Enclose the whole area...then build a wall under as needed
*sigh* LOL... See this is what sucks at being a novice. I can't explain myself correctly. Or my picture is no good. LOL.. BUT the steel beam stops at the wall in question. Not the wall perpendicular to it but the wall that continues on from the steel beam. Ok, if you take a look at that big PVC pipe and the gas pipe right next to it you can see that these 2 pipes take up all of the ceiling real estate between the duct work and the wall. I cannot run 2x4s up there to neither soffit out those ducts, or run a top plate for my framing on that wall. The pipes are running the same direction as my framing on the wall would. So my main issue is, I have nothing to attach to, so I was trying to find a solution.

I hope that's understandable. I am feeling dumber and dumber by the moment. LOL

I'd be more than willing to have someone call me if that would help with me better explaining.
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Same idea frame it out level with the bottom of the vent
Then build the wall underneath
Using rigid against the concrete 1st, then put the wall right against the rigid


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