18 x 17 Free Standing Overhang

**kwikfishron** · 10-15-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tomstruble

ah seems like a better fit for you here at diy

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tuffloud1 · 10-15-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kwikfishron

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I signed up at the "Contractor Talk" website under the title of "framer". Apparently this is for contractors only, who would have thought. (just kidding)

I was looking for advice on some flashing issues with my structure and tomstrouble is one of the guys over in that thread.

Now that I found this site, it's a perfect fit because I'm a diy kind of guy, but not a contractor by proffesion.

tuffloud1 · 10-15-2010, 09:26 PM

Should I worry about ENGINEER10's last post??

ENGINEER10 · 10-15-2010, 09:47 PM

Now it got your attention.

Read my #5 post.

Everything else mentioned in other posts is secondary.

Each brace is to be connected to post with only one 3/4" through bolt, washer and nut and centered on the post. More bolts will damage the post.

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tuffloud1 · 10-15-2010, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ENGINEER10

Now it got your attention.

Read my #5 post.

Everything else mentioned in other posts is secondary.

Each brace is to connected to post with only one 3/4" through bolt, washer and nut and centered on the post. More bolts will damage the post.

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You said that there were no corner braces on the back posts, there isn't a header nearest the house, so how would I brace it?

Also, do you mean 1 bolt on each side per corner brace or 1 bolt total on each post? If I don't do more than 1 bolt per post, how would I do the second brace?

ENGINEER10 · 10-15-2010, 10:55 PM

Then add a header there. Nothing else will help.

I wrote "Each brace is to be connected to post with only one 3/4" through bolt,.........." not one per post. You can have no more than two total per post, and not on the same face.

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Tom Struble · 10-15-2010, 10:56 PM

guys can get rough over there but we mean well

its more like contractors talking to each other you have to develop a thick hide

the gentlemen here are more than qualified to help with your project
and sometimes act more human

tuffloud1 · 10-15-2010, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ENGINEER10

Then add a header there. Nothing else will help.

I wrote "Each brace is to be connected to post with only one 3/4" through bolt,.........." not one per post. You can have no more than two total per post, and not on the same face.

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I can't add a header because the sliding glass door is in the way and the post cap has a header sitting in it and going all the way to the house.

How would I just add a header?

tuffloud1 · 10-15-2010, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tomstruble

guys can get rough over there but we mean well

its more like contractors talking to each other you have to develop a thick hide

the gentlemen here are more than qualified to help with your project
and sometimes act more human

Oh I know how contractors are, my dad is one! All the guys who helped me build my 932 sq ft addition on my house were contractor friends through my dad.

No harm done.

ENGINEER10 · 10-16-2010, 12:41 PM

Place the header higher on top of the other headers and fasten it to the rafters above posts. Find a SIMPSON cap/seat for attaching a header on top of another header perpendicular to each other and install it. Then add the vertical braces as before.

Do not forget to read post no. 5 again and put in also the horizontal/diagonal bracings in all 4 corners. Very important too!
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tuffloud1 · 10-16-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ENGINEER10

Place the header higher on top of the other headers and fasten it to the rafters above posts. Find a SIMPSON cap/seat for attaching a header on top of another header perpendicular to each other and install it. Then add the vertical braces as before.

Do not forget to read post no. 5 again and put in also the horizontal/diagonal bracings in all 4 corners. Very important too!
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Are the horizontal bracings from SIMPSON? A 90 degree metal brace? D you have a link or picture?

Thanks for the help!

ENGINEER10 · 10-16-2010, 03:28 PM

Horizontal braces can be 2x4's, best installed to the bottom of the headers, the same level where the top of posts is. If you have no choice place them at the top of headers.

SIMPSON doesn't have a product that will work here.

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tuffloud1 · 10-16-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ENGINEER10

Horizontal braces can be 2x4's, best installed to the bottom of the headers, the same level where the top of posts is. If you have no choice place them at the top of headers.

SIMPSON doesn't have a product that will work here.

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Ok thanks.

Also, about the lack of header nearest the house. The sliding door would still be in the way even if the new header was set on top of the existing.

Basically, there is no way to put a header there.

ENGINEER10 · 10-16-2010, 08:18 PM

There is no way this roof stands up for too long.

When everything is on the ground posting pictures would be nice.

Daniel Holzman · 10-16-2010, 08:36 PM

I have no idea what Engineer10 is referring to. The construction is solid, of course you could have additional bracing, but it does not appear to be necessary. You can certainly put more than 1 bolt through a brace without damaging a 6x6 post, the net reduced section of the 6x6 is minimal per bolt. I personally like to use two bolts on the bottom and top of each brace, that makes the brace more rigid (one bolt allows the brace to rotate), however code for deck allows for a single bolt.

Deck code allows you to notch approximately 60 percent of the way through a 6x6 post to connect a beam, so you can get some idea of how much additional capacity the 6x6 has compared to that which is minimally necessary. Of course, you are not building a deck, so there are somewhat different structural issues, but the structure you have built is not too different, and in any case two bolts per brace per side will be fine. Even without the bracing, a little sway for an UNINHABITED structure such as yours is not a real problem.