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jamiedolan 11-21-2008 10:40 AM

Would you reidentify to save $$$
 
HI;

I am going to need to run #6 for the hot tub and to the attic for my Kitchen sub panel. So I need a lot of #6 (each run about 70 feet X 4 wires = 560).

I could save $200 if I get a spool of 500' black and reidentify the other strands. I am pretty sure you can only reidentify 4# and larger.

I know it is a technical violation of the code (I know some here have said it is one of the most minor violations there is), but (if this was your house and your $) would you reidentify the wire for your neutral? Would you reidentify for your ground? I'd love to save the $200, but I really want to stay compliant with all the codes. So I have mixed feelings on the issue and was hoping for a bit of feed back.

Jamie

InPhase277 11-21-2008 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jamiedolan (Post 188177)
HI;

I am going to need to run #6 for the hot tub and to the attic for my Kitchen sub panel. So I need a lot of #6 (each run about 70 feet X 4 wires = 560).

I could save $200 if I get a spool of 500' black and reidentify the other strands. I am pretty sure you can only reidentify 4# and larger.

I know it is a technical violation of the code (I know some here have said it is one of the most minor violations there is), but (if this was your house and your $) would you reidentify the wire for your neutral? Would you reidentify for your ground? I'd love to save the $200, but I really want to stay compliant with all the codes. So I have mixed feelings on the issue and was hoping for a bit of feed back.

Jamie

I would re-identify it, smiling the whole time:thumbup:. We can all thump a code book, but man, it is literally just a piece of tape on a wire. Me and the inspector would probably have to roll around scrapping in the mud about such a tiny tiny tiny issue. It really is a non-issue. Save your money.

jerryh3 11-21-2008 10:55 AM

I have re identified #6 neutrals, but not grounds. Can't you use a #10 for your grounds. That would give you less than 500' for the #6's and 150' of #10. If you do it make sure you re identify at every box, junction, and device.

rgsgww 11-21-2008 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jerryh3 (Post 188189)
I have re identified #6 neutrals, but not grounds. Can't you use a #10 for your grounds. That would give you less than 500' for the #6's and 150' of #10. If you do it make sure you re identify at every box, junction, and device.


I think so, Id have to look at the tables again.

theatretch85 11-21-2008 07:42 PM

I would not use a black conductor and color it green, get an actual green conductor of the appropriate size (I believe either #10 or #8 can be used here).

Will this be in a metallic raceway or non-metallic (ie PVC)?

jamiedolan 11-21-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by theatretch85 (Post 188401)
I would not use a black conductor and color it green, get an actual green conductor of the appropriate size (I believe either #10 or #8 can be used here).

Will this be in a metallic raceway or non-metallic (ie PVC)?

3/4" EMT.
Jamie

Yoyizit 11-21-2008 07:59 PM

Anyone know the rationale behind not re-identifying? Not me. . .

rgsgww 11-21-2008 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoyizit (Post 188412)
Anyone know the rationale behind not re-identifying? Not me. . .


Alot of people mess up...nobody knows what the installer was thinking...just less confusion...

J. V. 11-22-2008 11:42 AM

Our local inspector allows re identifying #6 on subs ect.......Of course I asked him first.
I think the reasoning is that tape is not permanent.

Wildie 11-22-2008 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by J. V. (Post 188604)
Our local inspector allows re identifying #6 on subs ect.......Of course I asked him first.
I think the reasoning is that tape is not permanent.

Better not tell that to 3M!:)

Yoyizit 11-22-2008 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildie (Post 188665)
Better not tell that to 3M!:)

And maybe somebody makes colored heat-shrink tubing for this purpose.

DangerMouse 11-22-2008 06:17 PM

70 feet X 4 wires = 560? last i checked it was 280.....? am i missing something? probly.....

DM

jerryh3 11-22-2008 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MdangermouseM (Post 188709)
70 feet X 4 wires = 560? last i checked it was 280.....? am i missing something? probly.....

DM
I am going to need to run #6 for the hot tub and to the attic for my Kitchen sub panel. So I need a lot of #6 (each run about 70 feet X 4 wires = 560).

Two runs.

DangerMouse 11-22-2008 06:51 PM

ah, ok.... long day staring at these things removing virus' from client's machines....

DM


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