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feralfreak 10-17-2012 12:41 AM

would this be allowed by nec code?
 
i know this isnt in a box and that code requires it but its only for instructional purposes so i just cut some wire pieces to ask my question:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...tletwiring.jpg
the wire on top is meant to be the wire off last plugin in a circuit, and the bottom is suppose to be a wire going to a new outlet to be installed in the circuit, the box we have is one that doesnt have a place to attach a ground wire to, so in this picture i did what i think is called a tap splice, right to the original line, with the black going to the brass and white to silver, is that ok? do i need to do something different? i need to install at least one of these for an entertainment area to be covered by a warranty on a surge protector in the event of a lightning strike, right now i have a tv and my new xbox 360 on an extension cord and the warranty states that i cant use that cord, it has to be directly in an outlet, and id hate to have lightning take out over a 1000 bucks of electronics, (a big tv and the xbox plus my ps3) and not have it covered

allthumbsdiy 10-17-2012 01:16 AM

I am not sure if a "tap splice" is allowed or not but for a secure connection, why not pigtail a third ground by wire nutting them together, then attach the other side of your pigtail to the outlet?

Also, if you have two different circuits going to an outlet, you would want to make sure that matched black/white set is attached to a given receptacle.

Good luck

feralfreak 10-17-2012 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by allthumbsdiy (Post 1032417)
I am not sure if a "tap splice" is allowed or not but for a secure connection, why not pigtail a third ground by wire nutting them together, then attach the other side of your pigtail to the outlet?

Also, if you have two different circuits going to an outlet, you would want to make sure that matched black/white set is attached to a given receptacle.

Good luck

what im looking to do is add to an existing circuit by an outlet or 2.

pigtail, do you mean cutting the wire that goes to the ground, then twist the 3 ends(from the cut and from the new ground) under the nut? i havent considered that, but ill consider it now

feralfreak 10-17-2012 02:30 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...to10170323.jpg

i cut back the ground wire that goes out to the next plug and found a green wire nut (we have a lot of stuff left from when we had our house wired) with a hole in it, im assuming that its for purposes like this, laid the new ground(from the bottom 12/2wg) along side the ground from the last outlet before it and twisted it, is that how its done or do i need to pinch it with pliers or this crimping/cutting/stripping thingy?

Speedy Petey 10-17-2012 06:21 AM

Just twist the greenie really tight so that both conductors twist.
Also, leave a few inches longer out of the greenie. DO NOT just leave barely enough to put on the screw.

jbfan 10-17-2012 06:24 AM

That is fine.
The ground connection in the first picture is not allowed by code.

hammerlane 10-17-2012 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by feralfreak (Post 1032409)
the wire on top is meant to be the wire off last plugin in a circuit, and the bottom is suppose to be a wire going to a new outlet to be installed in the circuit,

For future reference a wire is a wire and a cable is not a wire.

ddawg16 10-17-2012 07:06 AM

Here is an example of a pig tail setup....(ignore the longer than necessary wires...I already got 'counsoled' on that)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...n/P8120001.jpg

I did a thread on it....got some great input....(I'll see if I can find it)....but one suggestion that one of the regulars gave...use the green wire nuts....they have a hole in the middle...so you leave one wire longer....this is the one that goes to the outlet....love them little jewels....

Dierte 10-17-2012 10:50 AM

Depending on where you are you must crimp your grounds instead of a wire nut

Jim Port 10-17-2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dierte (Post 1032593)
Depending on where you are you must crimp your grounds instead of a wire nut

That must be a local thing. It is not an NEC requirement.

hammerlane 10-17-2012 11:41 AM

[quote=ddawg16;1032486]Here is an example of a pig tail setup....(ignore the longer than necessary wires...I already got 'counsoled' on that)[quote]

It's like that receptacle is reaching out to grab someone. Its the right idea though.

Dierte 10-17-2012 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Port

That must be a local thing. It is not an NEC requirement.

Its a county thing here

feralfreak 10-19-2012 02:49 AM

my stepfather had a slightly different idea for the wiring project, instead of tracking down where one circuit ends, we decided to just add a new circuit, and i did the outlet myself(he will do the connection to the fuse box or whatever its called), i thought i should post pics of my work to see if i did it right(my first outlet installation):

i did the connection with the wire going in the direction of the screw and steered clear of those little holes on the back and tightened it down
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...to10182136.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...10182136_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...to10182138.jpg

i wasnt sure if i should push/fold the wires into the box or pull the excess out back through the entry holes, but i thought if i ever have to change it it might be best to tuck them back in, was that right?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...to10182147.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...10182147_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...to10182148.jpg

before i came here i saw on videos on youtube that it would be a good idea to wrap electrical tape around the connections so i did that after i double checked my connections, is that ok?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...to10182155.jpg

Jim Port 10-19-2012 09:05 AM

Wrapping tape just creates a mess. you should not be removing the devices with the power on so the tape adds no advantage.

feralfreak 10-20-2012 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 1033864)
Wrapping tape just creates a mess. you should not be removing the devices with the power on so the tape adds no advantage.

i was thinking about this earlier, should i remove the tape? did i create a safety hazard? im new to this stuff and i dont want to take any chances


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