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matt151617 06-26-2011 02:27 PM

Wiring Switched Outlet
 
Currently I have 2 outlets, both controlled by separate switches. Switch 1 has a red, white, and black wire, controlling outlet 1, which has 2 white and 2 black wires. Switch 2 also has a red, white, and black wire, controlling outlet 2, and outlet 2 has one white and one black wire.

I'd like to have the bottom half of each outlet always hot, and top half work with the switch. Is there any way to do this without running new wire?

kbsparky 06-26-2011 04:56 PM

DO both switches control both outlets together?

Are there any other wires in the outlet boxes that are not connected to the actual outlets?

How about other wires in the switch boxes that are not connected to the switches?

DannyT 06-26-2011 05:00 PM

are the outlets controlled by more than 1 switch? for 1 switch to control 1 outlet it would only need 2 connections on it. it sounds like you have 2 3-way switches controlling both outlets. could this be the case?

matt151617 06-26-2011 05:39 PM

Nope, the switches and outlets are totally independent. At least that's the way they tested. There are no extra or free wires in any of the boxes.

DannyT 06-26-2011 05:45 PM

to split the outlet and switch one half and have the other half hot all the time you need 3 wires- 2 hot ones and a neutral with one of the hot ones switched. so to do what you want you would have to run more wire.

matt151617 06-26-2011 06:52 PM

That's what I figured. It just seems odd there's a red wire but nothing is switched. If I want to disable the switch and make the outlets always hot, would I connect the red and black together or black and white?

DannyT 06-27-2011 07:26 AM

did the switches have 3 wires connected to them?

matt151617 06-27-2011 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DannyT (Post 674924)
did the switches have 3 wires connected to them?

Yes. Red black and white.

rjniles 06-27-2011 09:20 AM

If the switches have the 3 wires connected, then they are 3 way switches. To verify, the switch toggles will not be marked on/off.

If the red wires do not appear in the receptacle boxes then there are other switch boxes somewhere.

matt151617 06-27-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rjniles (Post 674987)
If the switches have the 3 wires connected, then they are 3 way switches. To verify, the switch toggles will not be marked on/off.

If the red wires do not appear in the receptacle boxes then there are other switch boxes somewhere.

Maybe there is, but they must not control anything important. I have another 3 way switch in the kitchen that I have no clue what it controls. None of the lights or outlets. I'm sure I can cap off this switch that controls the outlet and they'll be nothing else affected.

matt151617 06-28-2011 01:36 PM

Any tips on what wires to connect to bypass the switch?

HouseHelper 06-28-2011 01:57 PM

You have another box somewhere, either another switched receptacle or a blanked-off box... maybe behind some furniture? Until you find that and determine how things are wired, I won't want to "guess" as to which wires should be connected.

matt151617 06-28-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HouseHelper (Post 675941)
You have another box somewhere, either another switched receptacle or a blanked-off box... maybe behind some furniture? Until you find that and determine how things are wired, I won't want to "guess" as to which wires should be connected.

In the living room I have 4 outlets and 3 light switches. 2 of the light switches are 3 way switches and each control an outlet. The other light switch is a regular switch that I suppose controls a ceiling fan, but it doesn't work. The remaining 2 outlets are always hot. I just bought the house and painted so I know there's nothing else hidden.

The only place I see a red wire is on the 3 way switch and the other 3 way across the room.

HouseHelper 06-28-2011 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by matt151617 (Post 675968)
In the living room I have 4 outlets and 3 light switches. 2 of the light switches are 3 way switches and each control an outlet. The other light switch is a regular switch that I suppose controls a ceiling fan, but it doesn't work. The remaining 2 outlets are always hot. I just bought the house and painted so I know there's nothing else hidden.

The only place I see a red wire is on the 3 way switch and the other 3 way across the room.

It's gotta go somewhere... ceiling box? basement? attic?

matt151617 07-02-2011 10:41 AM

I checked the basement and didn't see anything. I did see the wiring for the outlet I wanted to make switched though. I may splice into another nearby line and just make the bottom outlet hot all the time. What's the best/safest wire to use? 14/2 and not use the other connections in it?


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