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clemon03 06-30-2009 12:58 PM

wiring requirements for basement kitchenette/wet bar
 
Hi folks. I'm new to the forum and hoping someone can steer me in the right direction on this project.

I'm currently renovating my basement to include a home theatre, gym and music studio. I'd also like to build in a small kitchenette/wet bar area so the beer and popcorn are handy for movie nights. :thumbsup:

There is an existing dedicated 15amp circuit on 14/2 wire in the corner I'd like to use for the kitchenette, which will consist of a small, under-counter type bar fridge, a small microwave, bar sink and 2-3 dedicated recessed lights. Can all this run on the existing 15 amp circuit or do I need to run a second circuit/upgrade the existing to 20amp and 12/2 wiring?

J. V. 06-30-2009 01:46 PM

Probably not. The microwave and fridge alone IMO would be enough to warrant the addition of a new circuit. I would pull at least one 20 amp small appliance circuit. Put the Microwave and fridge on this. Use the 15 amp circuit for lighting and a couple convenience receptacles.

The real question that must be answered "Is this a kitchen"? I don't think it would be. But, I have been wrong before. Since you have a sink you will need GFCI protection on the counter top. Can someone provide the definition of a "kitchen"? I cannot find it in Art.100 "definitions".

clemon03 06-30-2009 02:24 PM

Thanks, JV. That's where I thought I was heading on this one..... Thankfully the walls are still open and the service panel is only about 15 feet away, so a relatively easy job.

What is the significance of the "kitchen" definition? Here in Ontario the GFCI outlets are required within a metre (3ft) of water, but I'm not up on kitchen requirements beyond that......

rjniles 06-30-2009 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by clemon03 (Post 295244)
Thanks, JV. That's where I thought I was heading on this one..... Thankfully the walls are still open and the service panel is only about 15 feet away, so a relatively easy job.

What is the significance of the "kitchen" definition? Here in Ontario the GFCI outlets are required within a metre (3ft) of water, but I'm not up on kitchen requirements beyond that......

Not sure of Canada, but the NEC for the US requires 2 dedicated 20 amp GFCI protected small appliance circuits for the kitchen counter.

J. V. 07-01-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by clemon03 (Post 295244)
Thanks, JV. That's where I thought I was heading on this one..... Thankfully the walls are still open and the service panel is only about 15 feet away, so a relatively easy job.

What is the significance of the "kitchen" definition? Here in Ontario the GFCI outlets are required within a metre (3ft) of water, but I'm not up on kitchen requirements beyond that......

Canada. I cannot really tell you anything, because I have no idea what your requirements are.
In the US, kitchens must meet certain requirements. But I can tell you the 15 amp circuit is not enough for your bar.

We do have a resident professional European member here. His name is Marc. His forum name is "frenchelectrician". Search his name here and shoot him a PM. He is very helpful and qualified. :thumbsup:


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