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Old 07-21-2011, 09:44 PM   #1
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I wish to install a ceiling fan in my outdoor porch. I plan to gain electricity from a receptacle on the second floor adjacent to the porch. The receptacle is end-of-the-run. I do not wish the wiring to be visible from the ceiling of the porch. What tips can I obtain as far as passing the wire from the receptacle to the ceiling box. I do not know if I will encounter any obstructions. Of course a raceway system would be easier but not as pleasing to the eye. Incidentally the original house was built in 1861 but has had many additions over the years. Any advice would be appreciated.

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You will have to change that receptacle to a GFCI type if feeding power to the fan on the porch. Use conduit and the proper junction box, that you will secure, so that the fan will not all of a sudden drop on someone. If unsure about the electrical, and can not find the home inspection report when you purchased it, it would not be bad to have an electrician come in and assess the system to make sure that circuit will handle the new load.

With people such as construction companies and electricians looking for work, it would not be a bad thing to just let them do the hard work of running the power & conduit, and then let you hang the new fan. You do need to check if permits are needed for this though.

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Thanks Greg for the advice. I will re-evaluate the situation and will respond for the course I will take later. I have accomplished many electrical jobs over the years but as you suggested getting a licensed person to do the hard part of the job is probably a good idea. Thanks for your input.
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I wish to install a ceiling fan in my outdoor porch. I plan to gain electricity from a receptacle on the second floor adjacent to the porch. The receptacle is end-of-the-run. I do not wish the wiring to be visible from the ceiling of the porch. What tips can I obtain as far as passing the wire from the receptacle to the ceiling box. I do not know if I will encounter any obstructions. Of course a raceway system would be easier but not as pleasing to the eye. Incidentally the original house was built in 1861 but has had many additions over the years. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Sorry for the minuteness. Will try to make it larger.

1) First pix is of porch ceiling.
2) Second is the lower porch window probably of no sugnificance.
3) Third Picture of Upper Left Window where End-Of-Run receptable and
power at floor of upper bedroom.
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Sorry for the minuteness. Will try to make it larger.

1) First pix is of porch ceiling.
2) Second is the lower porch window probably of no sugnificance.
3) Third Picture of Upper Left Window where End-Of-Run receptable and
power at floor of upper bedroom.
Romex fished through the ceiling. Use a fan rated box. You may get lucky and be able to use the hole for the box to help fish the cable. GFI not required unless installation instructions require it. Is the receptacle box in line with the fan location? Try using fish sticks.
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Box is not in line with fan location. Guess I will have to use fish tapes and pray there is no obstructions. If obstruction may have to cut additional holes??
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Box is not in line with fan location. Guess I will have to use fish tapes and pray there is no obstructions. If obstruction may have to cut additional holes??
This is a long shot but worth a try. Turn power off to bedroom receptacle. Remove device from box. Back of box should be a 1/2 ko. Remove ko. Hopefully there is no sheathing behind the box. Cut the hole where the fan is going to be mounted. Now push a Greenlee Fishstick out the back of the receptacle box aiming for the fan box hole. Install a T&B 3400 plastic connector or equal on the wire about a foot from the end. Strip out cable and hook to Greenlee Fishstick. Pill back through hole in box and snap onto box. Install fan rated box. Hang fan. Finish receptacle. Done. It is a long shot bit itmay just work. Good luck and keep me posted.


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Thanks electures for the advice. It may be a while before I attempt the procedure. Heat index is 115 degrees today. I will wait until the weather improves.
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Does 2008 NEC require conduit when running along overhang rafters if covered with solid decking and composite shingles, or are insulated staples fine? How about when running perpendicular to the rafters thru 1/2" bore at 24" OC?

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