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Wirefire 09-15-2009 05:00 PM

Wiring OK? Fire hazard?
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Hi all,

I hired someone through a friend to mount my HTS (TV included) and it involved setting up an outlet behind the TV as well. The guy I hired was nice, and did a good job wiring everything else (and the price was great), but I'm wondering about the outlet. I don't want it to be a fire hazard of course, and I'm wondering about what looks like exposed wire near the prongs. I'd also like to know if this is a kosher way to do the wiring and if it's up to code etc.

I attached a bunch of pictures in which you can see where the TV is mounted, where the outlet is, and what the wiring looks like coming down to the power strip where it's plugged in. Could someone knowledgeable please take a look and give me some advice? I'd really appreciate it, as I'm clueless and it would save me an expensive electrician's trip.

Thanks very much!

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300zx 09-15-2009 05:47 PM

The wire should not be showing like that,Thats not good could be a fire hazard :no:

300zx 09-15-2009 05:57 PM

Should look more like this :yes:

Scuba_Dave 09-15-2009 06:04 PM

Does that wire with plug run to the outlet behind the TV????

If he can't connect a plug properly I'd be worried about the entire wiring job

220/221 09-15-2009 06:06 PM

A cord cap on romex is a sure sign of a hack job. :jester: The other end of the cable will also be illegal.

I don't care how nice the guy was, call a professional. :yes:

williswires 09-15-2009 06:45 PM

I agree, complete hack job.

Use of romex like that is not allowed.

Power and low voltage wiring need separation - cannot be in the same box in the premisis wiring without separation. Hmmm, did he even use a box?...It's likely that he just brought the romex and the low voltage stuff through a wall plate.

Wonder what the wall receptacle wiring looks like...:huh:

Call a licensed electrician.

Wirefire 09-15-2009 09:00 PM

Thanks for the advice. I did call an electrician today around the time I posted this, so hopefully he can come out tomorrow. Until then I'll just keep the whole thing unplugged.

I'm not clear on what's going on in the outlet that the TV plugs into, but I think it's something like -

TV goes into the outlet
Outlet becomes romex
Romex and speaker wire are brought through a wall plate in the cabinet
Romex goes into cord cap
Cord cap is plugged into surge protector

From the comments here, it sounds like much of that's in violation... is the whole concept of bringing the romex through the wall a problem? I'd like to get some idea of where the problems are before the electrician comes, and hopefully fixing them won't be too expensive...

Thanks for the help!

jbfan 09-15-2009 09:07 PM

Romex is a permanent wiring method.
The way it is connected now is a glorified extension cord.
The proper way is to run the romex to the nearest receptacle, and make the connections in an approved box.

Scuba_Dave 09-15-2009 09:12 PM

I hope "the price was great" means about 3-4 beers
Not even sure its worth that

Since the romex is an extension cord now its not allowed to be run thru the wall (as I understand it)

I'd 2x check the TV hanger too, make sure he hit some studs (or something sturdy)

vsheetz 09-15-2009 09:18 PM

While you didn't know exactly how it is supposed to be done, your common sence told you it was not right, and you investigated. :thumbsup:

Wirefire 09-16-2009 05:30 PM

In case anyone's curious how this turned out - I hired a certified/insured master electrician to come out and take a look (found on ServiceMagic). He characterized the end connection that you see in the picture as "extremely poor" and "lazy" and he redid that part, but the wiring in the box itself he actually said was "not half bad" and he commented that the guy I initially hired did a perfectly fine job everywhere except at that one piece.

He only charged me minimally for the service visit, not for fixing the end connection since it only took a couple of minutes. So, everything worked out OK. Glad I got it checked out, for peace of mind and due diligence if nothing else.

Scuba_Dave 09-16-2009 05:36 PM

So did you leave an "extension cord" running thru the wall ?
That is basically against code :no:

Wirefire 09-16-2009 05:56 PM

I specifically asked him if the cord running through that spot was against code and he said no, that it's "protected" and that it was the correct cord. He has something like 40 years' experience as a master electrician working in this area, but I am still interested in hearing other viewpoints. The speaker wire and power do not go through the same box (just power).

220/221 09-16-2009 07:13 PM

You got screwed twice.

Call the registar of contractors and let them kick this guys ass.

ServiceMagic is a terrible resource.

Scuba_Dave 09-16-2009 07:45 PM

Of all the extension cords I have seen in my life, I have never seen one made from Romex
Grey - is that UF romex?

NEC 400.8 Flexible Cords & Cables
Uses not permitted

1) as a substitute for permanent wiring
2) where run thru holes in walls....

Strike 3 may be that the wire used isn't even listed for use as a flexible cord

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