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Old 09-11-2011, 02:50 AM   #31
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I was reading thru this part and what it caught moi is you say " SO cord " keep in your mind the SO cord is not a permament useage at all.

speaking of the house is this is a apartment or house rental if that is true with either two queston as I will say " Obtenez l'électricien ici " ( get the electrician here )

Also you can not run the THHN conductors exposed it have to be in the conduit like EMT or PVC or wiremold one of the three items will be approved.

What kind of electrique tools you have on hand ??

It will be wise have a older person whom understand the electrique system to assit you on this { this part may walk on fine line depending on what state it in }

There were few case I have see drywall installer actually cover up the junction box pretty well and only leave very small hole like you have in your photo the only time I use that route if the luminaire have room for connection otherwise a junction box is the legit opton you may have to poke a hole little bigger to see if you have juction box or not.

Some case I am not really suprised when the drywallers cover up the old plaster et lath wall / ceiling and actually hid the boxes { most older home more typically you will find either pancake or 3 inch oct junction box.)

Last thing .,, S'il vous plaît read the book as Beenthere mention very clear that will really help you on this matter.

And please do not do anything crazy to voliaton the codes as someone mention here so just make it clear. { Our Moderator is watching this one so SVP heed this one }

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I don't understand why you don't want to wire the exit sign in normally.

What application are you intending?
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Old 09-11-2011, 11:29 AM   #33
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Oh I didn't think about the SO cable being for portable appliances and such. Yes, I would run the THHN wires through conduit.

Guys I'm not going to do anything against code, just because I ask about a certain way of wiring something, doesn't mean I'm going to do it.

So if I was just going to an exit sign and emergency light in such a way that is could be plugged in, how would I do that? My previous way of doing that wasn't successful.
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Why?

For what purpose?

We can't answer your question without this information.
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Hard wired, no plug.
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Oh I didn't think about the SO cable being for portable appliances and such. Yes, I would run the THHN wires through conduit.

Guys I'm not going to do anything against code, just because I ask about a certain way of wiring something, doesn't mean I'm going to do it. I make sure that it is safe before planning to do it.

So if I was just going to an exit sign and emergency light in such a way that is could be plugged in, how would I do that? My previous idea of doing that isn't safe.

I am still confused as the in my other thread, someone said that is some situations, it may be fine to cut the end off of an extension cord...If I were to cut off the end of an extension cord then send it (surface mount) to an electrical to an exit sign, is this safe, how about if I send the extension cord (surface mount) to the exit sign it's self. With exit signs, you don't have to have an electrical box, you send wire it inside of the actual sign.

Don't worry, once someone answers these questions, I may forget about the project and cancel the thread, but I still would like the answers to those questions though.
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Hard wired, no plug.
Oops, I must have hit the submit button while I was typing my previous post (and it never finsihed submitting), and then once I finished it, I hit submit again, so now I have two identical posts...oops.

You can buy some exit signs UL listed with a plug included, although these can sometimes be expensive and the selection isn't always that great. So wouldn't you say exit signs are okay to be plugged in (or at least in a residency).
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Funny thing..... the name of my old band was EXIT

Stay safe.

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I don't understand why you don't want to wire the exit sign in normally.

What application are you intending?
There are two areas in my house that need mostly emergency lights, and an exit sign, but there is no close access to the lighting circuit "outlet". So the only thing I can do is use a receptacle, but I don't know of any way of wiring an exit sign with a plug, except for cutting the end off of an extension cord, but I have been told that is unsafe, so I'm not going to attempt that.
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Funny thing..... the name of my old band was EXIT

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lol, I've heard of them..

I plan to...I don't attempt anything until I have been told it is safe, then I read an electrical book and make a plan for it.
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You can buy some exit signs UL listed with a plug included, although these can sometimes be expensive and the selection isn't always that great. So wouldn't you say exit signs are okay to be plugged in (or at least in a residency).
I would guess yes. Ceiling fans used to run wiring in swag chains to outlets all the time. If they make the product and it's UL approved, it's a good chance it's okay in your area, but not always, so check with the inspector first.

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I would guess yes. Ceiling fans used to run wiring in swag chains to outlets all the time. If they make the product and it's UL approved, it's a good chance it's okay in your area, but not always, so check with the inspector first.

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But if it isn't safe, why would it be UL approved, this is what confuses me. I'm still trying to figure out which "situation" in which an extension cord attached to an exit sign would be safe.
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You can buy some exit signs UL listed with a plug included, although these can sometimes be expensive and the selection isn't always that great. So wouldn't you say exit signs are okay to be plugged in (or at least in a residency).
If the light comes with a plug, it is UL approved to use a plug connection.

If it doesn't come with a plug, it is NOT UL approved to use a plug connection. And is for hard wiring only.
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But if it isn't safe, why would it be UL approved, this is what confuses me. I'm still trying to figure out which "situation" in which an extension cord attached to an exit sign would be safe.
Just because one area allows/approves the use of a deice, doesn't mean all areas do. All areas can make their code stronger then the national. National code, is a min safety code.

If the sign doesn't come with a cord and plug, generally it isn't approved by UL.

You would need to find one that has a UL listing to have a cord and plug added. Doubt you will find anything like that.
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If the light comes with a plug, it is UL approved to use a plug connection.

If it doesn't come with a plug, it is NOT UL approved to use a plug connection. And is for hard wiring only.
Oooh, I get what you are saying.

Thanks everyone, this the end of a very long discussion, I'll just get those exit signs UL approved that have a cord and plug. If anyone finds any questions I asked previously, you can feel free to answer them, although some of those questions I may not need answered.

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