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Old 04-14-2008, 08:52 AM   #16
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Yeah....Sarcasm is a great way to get help.


Look at the way the guy in the other thread presented his questions and compare it to yours.



The help provided here is done free of charge by (mostly) professional electricians and contractors.

THINK before you post.

Just because someone is not a licensed electrician doesn't mean he has no clue as to what he's doing. What I was looking for was a little guidence not berating about my lack of electrical knowledge. Most of the reply's to my question were helpful unlike your's and a few others. What you and a few others are telling me is don't even try it you'll just screw it up because we think you don't know what your doing, even when you have no idea how much I know. That's like saying if your not an auto mechanic you shouldn't be working on your car.

If you care and I don't think you do I will be using the electrician because if the town inspector is as understanding as you even if I did the work to a tee I would still be rejected. I now know better than to ask "professionals" for help.


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Old 04-14-2008, 09:10 AM   #17
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Also where can buy a 50A rated GFI plug for the stove
50 A GFCI circuit breaker at any supply house. Think spas and hot tubs.
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Old 04-14-2008, 09:20 AM   #18
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What I was looking for was a little guidence
pjm. The problem is, doing an electric install in a kitchen is pretty complicated. There are applicable code articles scattered all over the code. The code is not a do it yourself book where you just open it to "kitchens" and there it all is. A question like "how do I wire a kitchen" could take a long time to answer. How to wire a kitchen is more of a chunk than anyone here wanted to take on. Especially when none of us can see through the phone lines as to your exact conditions. Every job is different. Had you asked particular questions, you would have gotten some answers.

Complaining about what we electricians charge didn't help you any either.
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I now know better than to ask "professionals" for help.
Quit being so sensitive and read my post. It's ALL in the presentation.

The guy in the other thread presented his questions properly. You started off with complaining that your electrician was charging too much.
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Old 04-14-2008, 12:19 PM   #20
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Quit being so sensitive and read my post. It's ALL in the presentation.

The guy in the other thread presented his questions properly. You started off with complaining that your electrician was charging too much.

That's the type of response I feel I should have gotten in the first place. I guess I was being to generic. I'll be more specific in the future. Believe me I appreciate the helpful replies I was given, I could just do without the other ones. I will watch closely when the electrician does the work and try to pick up as much information as I can.

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Old 04-14-2008, 01:53 PM   #21
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pjm, please take a second to listen to what I have to say.

I am a fairly experienced DIY'er. When we remodeled our kitchen, I did it all myself with LOTS AND LOTS of phone calls to a good friend who is a pro electrician. Trust me, there are LOTS of things to know when taking on a project like this. I have rewired my entire house. The kitchen was still difficult for me due to the many codes. If they are not right, then you will not pass inspection. Then, you have to fix and wait for the inspector to come again. This all takes time... thats just one thing that could be an issue.

These guys may be a little rough with their people skills (no offense guys) but they know their stuff. They can tell by how someone asks a question what their skill level is. By saying "I have chanced switches and plugs and stuff" is an indication that the skills are basic. This is NOT a basic project.

In all reality, you are probably going to do this weather we tell you how to or not. It would be better if you were armed with the knowledge, but chances are people here aren't going to help you now... you insulted electricians by saying "they are charging me too much" (really, what basis do you have to compare it to? How many kitchen remodels have you done?) and "gee, thanks for the helpful replies" that was dripping with sarcasm.

I would volunteer to help you, but I am hardly qualified.


Hire an electrician to do the job.

How much is the kitchen remodel costing you all together??? Most people are willing to spend 10k on cabinets, but NOT 3k to make sure the electrical is up to code.

Hey, as long as it looks good, right?
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glad hubby is an electrical engineer
That won't help much in the field of construction electric.
They are about as similar as an accountant and a bookie.
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Old 04-14-2008, 02:57 PM   #23
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pjm, please take a second to listen to what I have to say.

I am a fairly experienced DIY'er. When we remodeled our kitchen, I did it all myself with LOTS AND LOTS of phone calls to a good friend who is a pro electrician. Trust me, there are LOTS of things to know when taking on a project like this. I have rewired my entire house. The kitchen was still difficult for me due to the many codes. If they are not right, then you will not pass inspection. Then, you have to fix and wait for the inspector to come again. This all takes time... thats just one thing that could be an issue.

These guys may be a little rough with their people skills (no offense guys) but they know their stuff. They can tell by how someone asks a question what their skill level is. By saying "I have chanced switches and plugs and stuff" is an indication that the skills are basic. This is NOT a basic project.

In all reality, you are probably going to do this weather we tell you how to or not. It would be better if you were armed with the knowledge, but chances are people here aren't going to help you now... you insulted electricians by saying "they are charging me too much" (really, what basis do you have to compare it to? How many kitchen remodels have you done?) and "gee, thanks for the helpful replies" that was dripping with sarcasm.

I would volunteer to help you, but I am hardly qualified.


Hire an electrician to do the job.

How much is the kitchen remodel costing you all together??? Most people are willing to spend 10k on cabinets, but NOT 3k to make sure the electrical is up to code.

Hey, as long as it looks good, right?

I never said he was charging me too much. I said it sounded a little steep. If I insulted anyone then I am not the one with the thin skin. I agree it is a difficult job for anyone to do, but I was looking for helpful replies, like the one you just left. The more I got of these types of replies the more I realized I should have a pro do it for me, which I am. As far as the "helpful replies" comment, I think anyone who looks at this post can see who was trying to help and who was just slamming me as being an idiot. Maybe i'm wrong or reading the wrong posts, but that's how it looks to me. I do appreciate the helpful comments, it's the others I can do without. It just wastes your's and my time. As I said above maybe I should have been more specific that's my fault and will do better in the future. I didn't mean to get every electrician in here ticked off, and if I did sorry.

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I'm not a pro, so take this for what it's worth.....

I'm doing a big remodel which included rewiring most of the house, including the kitchen. There is a residential pocket guide to the NEC, which I bought and use.....a lot. I would highly recommend getting one and reading it. If you're having trouble sleeping, this will be an added benefit. I would agree that it does not simply fit into the "kitchen" chapter in a DIY book, as there are applicable articles through out the guide that apply to kitchens.

Keep in mind that this maybe a partial list as I'm just thinking as I'm typing, but here are a couple of areas that you should specifically look up in the NEC.

Not just applicable to kitchens: Box type/size, wire type/size, load calcs, box fill, running the wire, protecting the wire....these details are applicable to all residential wiring.

Version of the NEC.....2005 is the applicable version to my remodel, but the 2008 is out and has some differences.....check which one applies.

Definition of kitchen, dining room, pantry, food prep area (for small appliance circuit coverage)

Receptacle location along "counter" - check NEC for defintion of counter especially around a sink or range.

GFI requirements (not required on every circuit)

Required dedicated circuits for appliances

lighting - switch placement and type of lights.

In Cali we also get to play with the title 24 rules which add some additonal contraints on light types- also need to watch the definition of the "kitchen" for placement.

In an attempt to answer one of your original questions....staple every 4.5', but confirm with the NEC or appropriate local code. Remember to staple only in the middle of a stud. If stapling two wires don't staple side by side such that each one is near the edge of a stud. Nail plates are your friend....use 'em.

As for the other comments on the board, take some care in the posts. I don't believe it was intentional, but it could come across the wrong way. Having done a lot of my own work, I really respect the pros. If my bank balance had some more zeros on the end I wouldn't own half the tools I do. I would also wear out more lawn chairs while sitting and watching other people work on my house. Balances being what they are, I do the work, but also respect what they do and charge. I think there is a big difference between not thinking a price is fair, and just not having the money to pay the fair price. In the case of the later, but out the tools.

Remember that this post is equal in value to what you paid for it......

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