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vsheetz 05-11-2009 01:35 PM

Wiring inside kitchen island?
 
New kitchen island in San Diego. Made from two 24" base cabinets.

Power comes up from the concrete floor in the bottom rear corner of one cabinet, the duplex power outlet is in the upper front corner of the other cabinet.

Can I just run the romex around the inside rear of the cabinets, stapling or otherwise affixing it as appropriate?

InPhase277 05-11-2009 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by vsheetz (Post 272414)
New kitchen island in San Diego. Made from two 24" base cabinets.

Power comes up from the concrete floor in the bottom rear corner of one cabinet, the duplex power outlet is in the upper front corner of the other cabinet.

Can I just run the romex around the inside rear of the cabinets, stapling or otherwise affixing it as appropriate?

Well you really shouldn't have romex in the pipe coming out of the floor, as that would be considered a wet location. I would use a change-over to connect to some metal flex and run that.

220/221 05-11-2009 01:50 PM

I generally sleeve it in 1/2 Al flex.

Termite 05-11-2009 03:40 PM

I agree with the previous posts. The answer to your question is NO. Even in the back of a cabinet the romex is subject to physical damage and must be protected (conduit). There shouldn't be conventional romex in conduit under/in that concrete slab either.

HouseHelper 05-11-2009 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thekctermite (Post 272462)
I agree with the previous posts. The answer to your question is NO. Even in the back of a cabinet the romex is subject to physical damage and must be protected (conduit). There shouldn't be conventional romex in conduit under/in that concrete slab either.

Curious as to why you consider NM run along the upper backside (inside) of a kitchen island subject to physical damage. I'm talking about that area above where items are stored, typically 2-3in below the top of the cabinet.

vsheetz 05-11-2009 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 220/221 (Post 272418)
I generally sleeve it in 1/2 Al flex.

Help me understand the recommendation. I would have a J-box for the NM coming from under the cabinet to enter - and exit with the flex to run to the outlet box. Can the J-box and the outlet box be plastic?

vsheetz 05-11-2009 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HouseHelper (Post 272469)
Curious as to why you consider NM run along the upper backside (inside) of a kitchen island subject to physical damage. I'm talking about that area above where items are stored, typically 2-3in below the top of the cabinet.

Yes, this goes to the core of the question. The NM can even be run behind the drawers - even less chance of damage.

vsheetz 05-11-2009 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thekctermite (Post 272462)
There shouldn't be conventional romex in conduit under/in that concrete slab either.

I realize there can be differing thoughts as to whether romex in conduit is ok for the run to the island. I posed the question here on the forum some time back about this. It passed inspection, but was commented that some inspectors would like to see differing.

InPhase277 05-11-2009 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by vsheetz (Post 272503)
I realize there can be differing thoughts as to whether romex in conduit is ok for the run to the island. I posed the question here on the forum some time back about this. It passed inspection, but was commented that some inspectors would like to see differing.

It is not a question of whether romex can be installed in conduit; it can. There is no difference of thought as to whether the conduit under the slab is a wet location; it is. Romex cannot be installed in conduit outside or underground.

Is it a huge deal in this instance? Probably not. Just throwing the facts out there.

vsheetz 05-12-2009 11:05 AM

Back to the core question...

How should I run the cable around the inside back of the island - in conduit or not? If in conduit, what is easiest way to accomplish thise for a DIY'er - is there a plastic flex conduit with plastic boxes or what?

Burbman 05-12-2009 11:23 AM

Is the issue that the cable coming out of the floor should be UF instead of NM?

220/221 05-12-2009 12:07 PM

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Help me understand the recommendation. I would have a J-box for the NM coming from under the cabinet to enter - and exit with the flex to run to the outlet box. Can the J-box and the outlet box be plastic?
No jboxes, just slide a piece of 1/2" Al flex over the exposed part of the cable. Terminate the flex in the recep box.

We have gotten tagged twice (out of hundreds of installations) for not running UF in the slab out to the islands. They sitll install NM to the islands in new construction here. I feel it is open to interpetation. I forget the wording but it's one of those "define underground" things. Is in the slab underground? In the AB? Where does the ground begin?

vsheetz 05-12-2009 01:24 PM

[quote=220/221;272842]No jboxes, just slide a piece of 1/2" Al flex over the exposed part of the cable. Terminate the flex in the recep box. [quote]

The exposed length of cable does not quite reach to the outlet location - so unfortuantly I have to go to first to a j-box, then to the outlet.

Correct? Or is there a better way?

thx!

Burbman 05-12-2009 01:32 PM

Put a box onto the end of the conduit wherever it ends coming out of the floor. If up too high, then cut the conduit back closer to the floor. I would use the plastic flex conduit from that j-box to the outlet box. The idea is that you don't want exposed romex in the cabinet.

Termite 05-12-2009 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HouseHelper (Post 272469)
Curious as to why you consider NM run along the upper backside (inside) of a kitchen island subject to physical damage. I'm talking about that area above where items are stored, typically 2-3in below the top of the cabinet.

I never mentioned what you are describing and neither did posts before mine. However, if it is exposed in a storage cabinet it could be deemed subject to physical damage.


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