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dieseltwitch 02-16-2013 10:12 PM

Wiring fixture free line voltage LED's
 
I'm trying to figure out how to install these lights in new construction and still be up to code? they are 120VAC light with their own Powersupply/driver the RED/Black wires are Low voltage DC but the BLUE/BROWN wires are 120VAC. How do i put this is joist space undercode?
http://www.superbrightleds.com/image...W-P45-0005.jpg
http://www.superbrightleds.com/image...W-P45-0008.jpg

k_buz 02-16-2013 10:17 PM

Judging by the colors of the input wires, I would have to guess that this is an European device and is not UL listed. Thus, not legal to install in the US. If you have a link to the product, we may be able to figure it out.

kbsparky 02-16-2013 10:25 PM

It looks like it needs to be mounted in a hi-hat can ...

joecaption 02-16-2013 10:27 PM

Sure would be nice if you would go back and add your location to your profile.

dieseltwitch 02-17-2013 09:00 AM

Here's a link to the product - LED Link

I update my profile. sorry I just made it yesterday. I'm out of Colorado

I'm having trouble finding ANY Led system that is UL Listed

mpoulton 02-17-2013 10:11 AM

I'd mount the LED driver in a small box installed behind the fixture, accessible through the hole when the fixture is removed.

dieseltwitch 02-17-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mpoulton (Post 1118930)
I'd mount the LED driver in a small box installed behind the fixture, accessible through the hole when the fixture is removed.

I had the same idea. Will they moan about that?

k_buz 02-17-2013 11:37 AM

If they are not listed, which they do not appear to be listed for use in the US, then they are not legal to install in the US and will fail inspection.

They do appear to be listed for use in Canada.

dieseltwitch 02-17-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by k_buz (Post 1118992)
If they are not listed, which they do not appear to be listed for use in the US, then they are not legal to install in the US and will fail inspection.

They do appear to be listed for use in Canada.

That blows! I really do hate us regulation. One person dies and so every body has to cover their butts forcing us to only buy a few more expensive select products. No way around it?

mpoulton 02-17-2013 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by k_buz (Post 1118992)
If they are not listed, which they do not appear to be listed for use in the US, then they are not legal to install in the US and will fail inspection.

They do appear to be listed for use in Canada.

If it's listed by any agency whatsoever, then it may pass. The NEC doesn't require any specific listing, only that luminaires be listed by an entity recognized by the authority having jurisdiction. The inspector, as a representative of the AHJ, could choose to accept any listing. The intent of this rule is to avoid fire risks, since light fixtures have historically involved a lot of heat dissipation. Since LED fixtures pose so little risk, this rule is arguably irrelevant and the inspector might be convinced to "recognize" the CE mark on these.

k_buz 02-17-2013 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mpoulton

If it's listed by any agency whatsoever, then it may pass. The NEC doesn't require any specific listing, only that luminaires be listed by an entity recognized by the authority having jurisdiction. The inspector, as a representative of the AHJ, could choose to accept any listing. The intent of this rule is to avoid fire risks, since light fixtures have historically involved a lot of heat dissipation. Since LED fixtures pose so little risk, this rule is arguably irrelevant and the inspector might be convinced to "recognize" the CE mark on these.

It has to be listed for use in the US. It is not, as far as I can tell.

Stubbie 02-17-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by k_buz (Post 1119081)
It has to be listed for use in the US. It is not, as far as I can tell.

It carries 3 product certification labels including UL's Rohs product compliance Label it should be fine to install in the US. The voltage range is compliant also.

Stubbie 02-17-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kbsparky (Post 1118741)
It looks like it needs to be mounted in a hi-hat can ...

That is what I thought ... but it appears you just need a 4" cutout.

k_buz 02-17-2013 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stubbie (Post 1119100)
It carries 3 product certification labels including UL's Rohs product compliance Label it should be fine to install in the US. The voltage range is compliant also.

Stubie, I'm surprised at your answer. RoHS is not a listing. The FCC marking isn't a listing either. It is listed for use in Canada however.

frenchelectrican 02-17-2013 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by k_buz (Post 1119269)
Stubie, I'm surprised at your answer. RoHS is not a listing. The FCC marking isn't a listing either. It is listed for use in Canada however.

I hate to put a damper on this part as well the CE marking is only good in European area but nothing for Canada or USA side at all.

Merci,
Marc


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