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Old 09-15-2007, 03:01 PM   #31
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Is this "certificate" part of a union program?
I'm having a hard time getting an answer to this one.
I told you who issues the certificates twice already, perhaps you are lacking in comprehension skills

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Old 09-15-2007, 03:25 PM   #32
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I told you who issues the certificates twice already, perhaps you are lacking in comprehension skills
Don't even go there buddy. I guess I have my answer.

Can you do me a favor though. Find a link to that NYS web page you were referring to. I searched and searched. I cannot find anything on it. If I need to be certified in NYS to be an electrical contractor I'd like to know how I go about getting this certification.
I want to be up to speed.
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Old 09-15-2007, 03:38 PM   #33
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Petey,...Buffalo...
You two outta' get married ...

Petey, do you take Buffalo.....he does ..
Buffalo, do you take Petey.....he does ..

I pronounce you WIRE & NUT .....
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Old 09-15-2007, 04:41 PM   #34
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Guys, the OP wasn't asking how to install a radio ra system for his entire house that he could program from his laptop while on a flight to Paris. I should have said that most DIY projects aren't rocket science or hard. NOWHERE in this thread have I said that anyone should do anything without researching some literature such as "wiring simplified" that explains in detail the dangers of working on electricity.
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Andy....listen....I reviewed the post about the person who thought he had 3-phase in his house. You, stubbie, speedy, and others came up with the idea that he did have 3-phase. You all claim to be electricians, but none of you even knew what you were looking at. I knew right away what it was.

Had this guy tried to use a wirng diagram for a three phase system, on the 1phase system in his house, he would have had a serious explosion.

If you 'electricians' don't know what you're looking at, imagine what could happen to those who know nothing, and start playing around with their electric.

I undertsand this is a DIY orientated MB, but there are some things DIYers should not do
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Buffalo, please explain 210V to ground on the A leg of this "single phase service". I won't disparage your qualifications but if this isn't a three phase delta with a "bastard leg" than the voltages as well as the picture make no sense. The explosion and the smoke letting happens when he plugs his computer into the A leg. I certainly have much to learn and will learn till the day I die but explain to me how this is single phase.
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Andy....listen....I reviewed the post about the person who thought he had 3-phase in his house. You, stubbie, speedy, and others came up with the idea that he did have 3-phase. You all claim to be electricians, but none of you even knew what you were looking at. I knew right away what it was.

Had this guy tried to use a wirng diagram for a three phase system, on the 1phase system in his house, he would have had a serious explosion.

If you 'electricians' don't know what you're looking at, imagine what could happen to those who know nothing, and start playing around with their electric.
I never thought it would be possible......but I am speechless.
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First of all, thanks to jbfam, rippyskippy for ypur help. I thought this was a do it.yourself site.I really don't need lectures on safety or discourses on "union terms" or I told you so's. I have 40 years of experience in an industrial enviorment an participated in wiring projects. I have seen a " certified electricial" kill himself and seriously injure 2 other men, so I have
a very serious respect for electricity. I have written up a lot of electricians for not following basic safety proceedures. with that let me get on to my problem.

I have hooked up a new circuit for 4 recessed lights ( each 50 watts). power is coming from the switch. I hooked up the first light and checked it
and it worked ok. I then hooked up the next 3, white to white and black to black turned on the breaker and then turned on the light switch. It immediately kicked off the breaker. I then went back and rechecked all connections and taped all connections, and turned on power, sme thing
breaker kicked off. I checked data on recessed lights it says 120 volts and
recommends noting over 50 watts. Does any one have any suggestions ?
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Potter, please see the attached diagram. I think this is generally what you want to do, that is, switch 4 lights on & off with the one switch.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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Potter.... if your wiring matches the diagram then you will have working lights. If no... you have a short somewhere in the chain. The most common thing I find is that home owners tighten the romex clamps so tight that they damage the hot conductors insulation and it shorts to the can wiring enclosure. Look very close to where the wires are at the clamps (if you used clamps) or where they enter the wiring compartment and look to see if you have a damaged hot wire that is shorting to the metal of a clamp or knockout.

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What stubbie says plus I would unhook the last light in the series and check to see if there is still a fault. If there is, then I would keep working backwards toward the one light that does work. This will help you isolate the location of the fault. Best of luck and keep us posted!
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Amazing what google finds............

http://www.nationalponsi.org/ccr/Lis...ustry_home.htm
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Amazing what google finds............

http://www.nationalponsi.org/ccr/Lis...ustry_home.htm
Nice try. This is NOT administered by New York State.
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"The National Electrical Course for Apprentice Inside Wiremen, which is administered by many local Joint Apprenticeship and Training Committees in New York State, has been developed by the National Joint Apprenticeship and Training Committee for the Electrical Industry."

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"Source of official student records: Administrator of the apprenticeship program in the area or (where applicable) the Business Manager of the I.B.E.W. Local in the area. For further information on loca contacts, please consult the National Program on Noncollegiate Sponsored Instruction."

This is simply the union apprenticeship program, although anyone can attend these classes.
This is NOT STATE certification.

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