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09-11-2007, 09:06 PM   #16
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Are you taking the incoming power to the switch, or the first light?
If to the switch, connect all white wires, all bare wires, and break the hot through the switch.
In each can, connect, all like colors to each other.
You will have an incoming wire and an outgoing wire and the wires for the cans.
At the last can, you will only have the icoming wire and the wires in the can.
If you are bringing the power into the first light, let me know then I will type the answer.

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09-12-2007, 07:02 AM   #17
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 Originally Posted by jbfan ...if you are bringing the power into the first light..
It's basically the same except at the last light we will switch the black.
1. At the last light the white from the other lights will connect and end.
2. Run a wire from the light to the switch.
3. At the last light -- Connect the grounds together.
4. At the last light -- Connect the black from the other lights to the black in the new wire going to the switch.
5. At the last light -- Wrap a small piece of black electrical tape on the white to the new switch and connect it to the black at the light.
6. AT THE SWITCH, wrap a small piece of black electrical tape on the white and connect to the bottom. The black goes on the top, ground to the ground screw.
You can switch the lights anywhere along the line it doesn't have to be at the beginning or end. Just think of running a loop of black out to the switch and back to the lights. You can use one wire in this instance since you are taping each end of the white.

At the light though, the whites will have to be connected at all the lights. The taped white is the exception...it will NEVER connect to another white...always to a black.

Hope that makes sense...good luck and turn the power off before starting.

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09-12-2007, 08:30 AM   #18
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## Corrections to Rippy

The switch loop has to be run from the light where the power enters, it can't go to just any light unless you run xx/3 cable between the lights.

The switch loop remarked white will connect to the incoming hot and the switch loop black will connect to the black from the lights. The incoming white will connect to the white from the lights.

 09-13-2007, 08:35 AM #19 Member     Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ames, Iowa Posts: 1,233 Rewards Points: 500 Your right. In addition the xx/3 only needs to run between the lights before the switch. I try to avoid this and route it so I'm don't get into that situation...but sometimes...it just doesn't make sense. For example in my attic, the source comes in at the far corner, and there's 5 lights between the source and the switch in the garage. The lights are connected to the red in a 14/3 and the white...the blacks are connected straight through to the switch. I don't know if it's code or even a best practice...but I switch the red.
09-14-2007, 09:30 AM   #20
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 Originally Posted by Andy in ATL That's exactly why I recommended the original poster educate himself. I'm an electrician and yet, overall, the arrogance of some in our trade never ceases to amaze me. What we do is not rocket science, nor is it really very hard. It just must be done perfectly and SAFELY.
Good grief....Certified and competent electricians would never make such a statement!

Perhaps you've mimicked a couple of residential electrical installations, and now consider yourself an electrician, and only after killing somebody or helping somebody to kill themselves will change your attitude.

 09-14-2007, 10:52 AM #21 Member   Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 200 Rewards Points: 150 Buffalo... Absolutely true .... he's no licensed journeyman, and with that attitude .... never will be, yet alone a Master Electrician ... he's goin' help get someone hurt ....
09-14-2007, 12:57 PM   #22
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 Originally Posted by buffalonymann Good grief....Certified and competent electricians would never make such a statement! Perhaps you've mimicked a couple of residential electrical installations, and now consider yourself an electrician, and only after killing somebody or helping somebody to kill themselves will change your attitude.
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 Originally Posted by JGarth Buffalo... Absolutely true .... he's no licensed journeyman, and with that attitude .... never will be, yet alone a Master Electrician ... he's goin' help get someone hurt ....

Dear oh dear!!! I was the arrogant one for even suggesting safety.

PS I'm sure the OP totally understands the 'instructive posts' so far. The poor bugger is probably totally bamboozled by now. Maybe he can reply to tell us how he is going regarding the 'instruction' so far? Maybe he is totally confused?

Dear potter67, how do you feel about this so far? Is more help required? If so, in what way can you be helped?
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 09-14-2007, 09:33 PM #23 Electrician philosopher   Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lilburn, GA Posts: 838 Rewards Points: 500 This is great... I sit for my unrestricted in GA in 3 mos. I have 10 yrs. total experience residential, commercial as well as atiny bit of industrial. All the OP has to do is purchase book mentioned in previous book and he won't need a diagram. I stand by all my previous posts. If you would like to debate big "tough" code and electrical issues avail yourself of other forums. But caution gentlemen, These other forums are for professionals only. Remember that this is a DIY site...
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 Originally Posted by Andy in ATL This is great... I sit for my unrestricted in GA in 3 mos. I have 10 yrs. total experience residential, commercial as well as atiny bit of industrial. All the OP has to do is purchase book mentioned in previous book and he won't need a diagram. I stand by all my previous posts. If you would like to debate big "tough" code and electrical issues avail yourself of other forums. But caution gentlemen, These other forums are for professionals only. Remember that this is a DIY site...
Good luck with you're test Andy.
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09-15-2007, 08:59 AM   #25
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 Originally Posted by Andy in ATL This is great... I sit for my unrestricted in GA in 3 mos. I have 10 yrs. total experience residential, commercial as well as atiny bit of industrial. All the OP has to do is purchase book mentioned in previous book and he won't need a diagram. I stand by all my previous posts. If you would like to debate big "tough" code and electrical issues avail yourself of other forums. But caution gentlemen, These other forums are for professionals only. Remember that this is a DIY site...
It is true that putting a wire under a screw, and tightening the screw is not rocket science....a monkey can do it.

Monkeys cannot however learn how to design electrical systems, that is where the rocket science comes into play.

There are books on brain surgery too, but I would never suggest a DIYer to get one for any small brain surgery jobs (s)he may encounter.

I've been in the trade more than 25 years, I did attend school to learn electrical theory and how to design safe electrical systems. I have obtained (4) Master Electrician licenses, and I am certified by New York State as a journeyman inside wireman. I was found competent by (5) different goverment agencies to design and build any electrical system.

It is never a good idea to tell anybody who is unfamilar with the electrical trade to make electrical installations because there are too many variables that can result in death.

09-15-2007, 10:02 AM   #26
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 Originally Posted by buffalonymann I've been in the trade more than 25 years, I did attend school to learn electrical theory and how to design safe electrical systems. I have obtained (4) Master Electrician licenses, and I am certified by New York State as a journeyman inside wireman. I was found competent by (5) different goverment agencies to design and build any electrical system.
That's funny. There is NO State certification in NY.I wonder what you mean by this......
Uness of course you are talking about the union, which I suspect you are. NO ONE uses the term "inside wireman" except the union.
In this case the "state" certification is meaningless in the non-union world.

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 Originally Posted by buffalonymann It is never a good idea to tell anybody who is unfamilar with the electrical trade to make electrical installations because there are too many variables that can result in death.
So we ignore these folks and let them wing it, huh? You need to remember, some folks will do things no matter what. Us giving them a push in the right direction can only be a good thing. As long as we do push in the right direction.

At the same time, this iS a DIY site. With your opinion, what are you doing here?
I will say though, I DO NOT agree with the sentiment: "What we do is not rocket science, nor is it really very hard."
Anyone who makes a statement like that does not yet have the experience to make a statement like that. If you know what I mean.
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 09-15-2007, 10:27 AM #27 Member   Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 50 Rewards Points: 25 speedy petey writes....That's funny. There is NO State certification in NY.I wonder what you mean by this...... New York State operates an apprenticeship program for inside wiremen. Those who successfully complete the program are issued certificates by NEW York State. Clearly you have no clue what you're talking about, try reading about it on New York State website
 09-15-2007, 02:08 PM #28 Licensed Electrical Cont.     Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 7,724 Rewards Points: 1,798 Like I said, the "certification" is from the union. There is NO required certification and NO state licensing. Tell me, what does this certification enable you to do? __________________ Sometimes I feel like if I answer any more questions it is like someone trying to climb over a fence to jump off a bridge and me giving them a boost.
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 Originally Posted by Speedy Petey Like I said, the "certification" is from the union. There is NO required certification and NO state licensing. Tell me, what does this certification enable you to do?

Like I said, New York State operates the apprenticeship program, and New york State issues the Certificate

What part of this did you not understand the first time?

09-15-2007, 03:57 PM   #30
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Is this "certificate" part of a union program?
I'm having a hard time getting an answer to this one.

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