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Old 03-19-2009, 09:01 AM   #1
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I fave a switch that controlls half an outlet. The other half of the outlet is always hot. I would like to install a ceiling fan in this room. Can i tie into this outlet wiring in the attic? If so, I would like the fan/light to always be hot because there is a remote with the fan. Unless , I could get the switch to control the light only and the fan always hot. Any diagrams would be much help. I hope this isnt confussing.

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You can run from the switched receptacle to the ceiling fan location provided the receptacle isn't one of the forbidden ones located in a bathroom or kitchen and a few others.
If you want control of the light by switch and constant hot to fan you can do this.
Do you want to use the same switch that switches the receptacle to turn the fan light on and off ?... and if so do you still want a switched receptacle or would you prefer the receptacle to have both halves constant hot and the ceiling fan light controlled by the switch?

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There are a dozen variables in this project.

Can you tie in in the attic? Maybe, maybe not.



Does the cable run from the switch to the recep thru the attic?

Is it a 3 wire cable from the switch to the recep?


Pull out the switch, take a look at the wiring, climb into the attic with a flashlight and come back with these answers.
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You can run from the switched receptacle to the ceiling fan location provided the receptacle isn't one of the forbidden ones located in a bathroom or kitchen and a few others.
If you want control of the light by switch and constant hot to fan you can do this.
Do you want to use the same switch that switches the receptacle to turn the fan light on and off ?... and if so do you still want a switched receptacle or would you prefer the receptacle to have both halves constant hot and the ceiling fan light controlled by the switch?
Yes, I would like the receptical to be constant hot and the light controlled by the switch. Thank you.
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Pull out the switch, take a look at the wiring, climb into the attic with a flashlight and come back with these answers.
Or not.
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Yes, I would like the receptical to be constant hot and the light controlled by the switch. Thank you.


You'll will have to find out which side of the recepticle is constant hot... plug a radio in a turn on and off the switch...(just an example).. open the recepticle and unsrew the terminal that is controlled by the switch and cap it off with a wire nut....add a jumper wire where you took the switch leg off from the recepticle and the constant hot....send a 12/2 or 14/2 (depends if your circuit breaker is 15amps or 20amps) from the recepticle to your fan box... hook up the bare coppers all together...the white condutor to the other side of the recepticle where your silver terminals are....finally hook your black conductor from the new wire to the wire that you have caped off like stated above...lemme me know if your confused..
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You'll will have to find out which side of the recepticle is constant hot... plug a radio in a turn on and off the switch...(just an example).. open the recepticle and unsrew the terminal that is controlled by the switch and cap it off with a wire nut....add a jumper wire where you took the switch leg off from the recepticle and the constant hot....send a 12/2 or 14/2 (depends if your circuit breaker is 15amps or 20amps) from the recepticle to your fan box... hook up the bare coppers all together...the white condutor to the other side of the recepticle where your silver terminals are....finally hook your black conductor from the new wire to the wire that you have caped off like stated above...lemme me know if your confused..
I think you misunderstood what he wanted. He wants constant hot for the fan and switched hot for the ceiling fan light.

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The existing receptacle has a tab broken between the brass screws it needs to be replaced with a new receptacle...don't mess with jumpering it. Determine which half of the receptacle is switched and remove the wire coming from the switch. Fish a 12/3 with ground or a 14/3 with ground (match the wire size to what's existing) from the attic ceiling fan box to the new receptacle. A 3 conductor cable will have 4 wires black,red,white, and bare ground. Connect the red of the 3 conductor cable going to the ceiling fan to the switched hot wire at the receptacle box in a wirenut. Connect the black of the 3 conductor cable to a brass colored screw on the new receptacle. Connect the white to a silver screw on the receptacle. Connect the bare ground with the others and to the green screw on the receptacle and to the box if the box is metal.
At the ceiling fan connect the black of the 3 conductor cable to the black of the fan. connect the red to the light... probably a blue wire. White to white and connect the grounds. If you need a diagram let me know.
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You'll will have to find out which side of the recepticle is constant hot... plug a radio in a turn on and off the switch...(just an example).. open the recepticle and unsrew the terminal that is controlled by the switch and cap it off with a wire nut....add a jumper wire where you took the switch leg off from the recepticle and the constant hot....send a 12/2 or 14/2 (depends if your circuit breaker is 15amps or 20amps) from the recepticle to your fan box... hook up the bare coppers all together...the white condutor to the other side of the recepticle where your silver terminals are....finally hook your black conductor from the new wire to the wire that you have caped off like stated above...lemme me know if your confused..
Thank you ! I will take a look at it.
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I think you misunderstood what he wanted. He wants constant hot for the fan and switched hot for the ceiling fan light.

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The existing receptacle has a tab broken between the brass screws it needs to be replaced with a new receptacle...don't mess with jumpering it. Determine which half of the receptacle is switched and remove the wire coming from the switch. Fish a 12/3 with ground or a 14/3 with ground (match the wire size to what's existing) from the attic ceiling fan box to the new receptacle. A 3 conductor cable will have 4 wires black,red,white, and bare ground. Connect the red of the 3 conductor cable going to the ceiling fan to the switched hot wire at the receptacle box in a wirenut. Connect the black of the 3 conductor cable to a brass colored screw on the new receptacle. Connect the white to a silver screw on the receptacle. Connect the bare ground with the others and to the green screw on the receptacle and to the box if the box is metal.
At the ceiling fan connect the black of the 3 conductor cable to the black of the fan. connect the red to the light... probably a blue wire. White to white and connect the grounds. If you need a diagram let me know.
Would it be worth your time? I am one that loves pictures and diagrams. If you could do that, It would be much help. Thank you so much for all of your time guys! Im new to this site and I am finding it very useful.
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These are the connections you would make with the new receptacle and switched hot wire. Be aware as 220/221 mentioned there are a lot of ways incoming power may come into the circuit. But if you reconnect all existing wiring back to the new receptacle (except the switched hot) as you found it on the old receptacle you should be fine.
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