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Old 01-12-2008, 02:18 PM   #16
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The pigtail method is considered the best way to go in any situation.






Considered by some people would be a true statement.


The majority of receps are connected via the feed thru method.

There is a tiime and place for everything.

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The majority of receps are connected via the feed thru method.

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of the 5 guys that I work with, only 1 uses this method. Everybody else pigtails.

Like I said before, I believe time dictates that not pigtailing would be cheaper but I prefer the pigtails and as I mentioned previously, if the recep is part of a MWBC, pigtails must be used.
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if the recep is part of a MWBC, pigtails must be used.
I've been hunting the reference...
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Thanks for all of the info guys. Here is a very bad drawing on paint of what I was trying to say. The yellow lines are neutral and black are hot. I didn't put a ground in there because there wasn't room in the drawing. The left side is what I meant by pigtail and the right side is what he mistakenly called series. He recom. that I use the right side to wire recepts. and all of my books show a similiar pic of the left side. Sorry for the confusion. I am not sure if my drawing will help any. The red things are the wire nuts and that is the point all 3 wires come together.
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Considered by some people would be a true statement.

The majority of receps are connected via the feed thru method.

There is a tiime and place for everything.
Those licensed to do electrical work that have integrity would certainly use the pigtail method. The other method is considered to be the work of the low end (schlock) installers. Just to save the cost of a few wire nuts, pure and simple.

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licensed integrit(schlock)
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You sound grumpy. Have you wired a dwelling unit?
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I've been hunting the reference...
I'm not sure of the code, but the device can not carry the netural load in a mwbc.
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Not grumpy at all, just plain truthful. I know bs when I see it. You are not nearly educated or experienced enough to pull that .02 psych bs.
This is not the first time you stalked me here. You have to get a life, instead of stalking people on the net. I realize this site is your life, I have seen your type many times, so I should be cognizant that all you have to look forward to is posting here.
As far as wiring, more than a couple of you will ever do in your entire lifetime. Granted, I've been retired for a few years, but I know inferior wiring practices when I see them.
I'd be more than willing to provide the owner/administrator of this website with my name, phone number, PE license no, and Master Electrician Lic no.
I would assume you would also do the same, if you have the credentials.
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Those licensed to do electrical work that have integrity would certainly use the pigtail method.





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The other method is considered to be the work of the low end (schlock) installers. Just to save the cost of a few wire nuts, pure and simple.



Dude, you're a retired ENGINEER! Stay out of the field work. It's NOT your area of expertise.

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I would not consider using the screws LOW END WORK. I consider them better than pigtails. I would trust a wire under screw over two wires in a wire nut and one under a screw. Wire nuts add to box fill and cost to the job. Why would you spend money on two wire nuts in every box when you have perfectly good screw connections on the receptacle.
I Canada wire nuts count for box fill.
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What they said

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Andy: check NEC 300.13 (B)

Using both sets of screws is fine. Using pigtails is fine.

One thing I notice with most older work is the installer "daisy chained" (used both sets of screws) I think this has to do with the smaller boxes that were used. (most metal switch boxes are smaller CU IN wise, therefore not as much room to employ pigtails. (Its just a guess...)

I would NEVER think using both screws per side as inferior. My point is, it doesn't matter which method you use, you still have connections (weak points) where trouble could potentially develop.

Just my opinion...

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both are legal except for when they are fed by a multi wire branch circuit.

I pigtail for severl reasons, one of which is, I HATE going into a place that has both of the screws with wires under them. It is a bit more of a pain to remove 2 wires than open up a wire nut joint to change a recep. More of a pet peeve than anything. It actually costs more to pigtail and apparently in Canada, it counts as box fill, which reduces the available room in the box for other conductors.

as far as it being "low end" "cheap" or "shoddy"? No reason to believe it is. This gets in to arguments like "do you pre-twist before installing a wire nut?" and many others where personal preference makes the decision more than quality or money.
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Something about this question made me think no, you have to pigtail. Only a Chicago thing. 300.13(b) reads In branch circuits, the continuity of a grounded conductor shall not be dependent upon device connections such as lampholders, receptacles, etc.,where the removal of such devices would interrupt the continuity. It's only the NEC that includes the word multiwire. Carry on.
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Those licensed to do electrical work that have integrity would certainly use the pigtail method. The other method is considered to be the work of the low end (schlock) installers. Just to save the cost of a few wire nuts, pure and simple.
At the risk of a flame war, I will say this is complete unadulterated BULLSH*T!

Come to one of my jobs. Inspect my work. Then call me that.
I'd show you the door with my boot in your ass.

If you had even half a clue you'd be dangerous.
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And with that comment, thread is closed. Speedy has summed it up well.

BTW guys, play nice now.

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