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Old 03-21-2013, 10:41 PM   #1
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According to code, is it proper under code to have a regular wire (romex) pass through a punchout of a metal box with no clamp, grommet or anything else? If not consistent with code, would you have an NEC citation? (I'm asking actual code and not just good technique.)

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according to code, is it proper under code to have a regular wire (romex) pass through a punchout of a metal box with no clamp, grommet or anything else? If not consistent with code, would you have an nec citation? (i'm asking actual code and not just good technique.)
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Thanks. Homeowners shouldn't have to teach professionals but sometimes we do.
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Thanks. Homeowners shouldn't have to teach professionals but sometimes we do.
Those people you are referencing are not professionals...
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Thanks. Homeowners shouldn't have to teach professionals but sometimes we do.
Homeowners sometimes have a bad habit of searching for price of a contractor versus quality of a contractor and these types of things are the result. You get what you pay for. Hire a hack at hack prices and you should expect hack work.
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Homeowners sometimes have a bad habit of searching for price of a contractor versus quality of a contractor and these types of things are the result. You get what you pay for. Hire a hack at hack prices and you should expect hack work.

This is a remodel situation. The general contractor is well regarded and selected on referral. The non-electrical parts are going fine and appear to have very good workmanship. The electrical subcontractor is a different story. But, I think that we drew this electrician based on our project having so little electrical work.
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According to code, is it proper under code to have a regular wire (romex) pass through a punchout of a metal box with no clamp, grommet or anything else? If not consistent with code, would you have an NEC citation? (I'm asking actual code and not just good technique.)
The only time you can is if it is Low voltage like Coax for CATV/HPNA, or Ethernet wiring. Everything else needs to be secured.
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Homeowners sometimes have a bad habit of searching for price of a contractor versus quality of a contractor and these types of things are the result. You get what you pay for. Hire a hack at hack prices and you should expect hack work.
I am dealing with that right now with a friend's place. Went over to help change out some outlets, Romex from various periods. Oh the fun it is going to be. First quote she got was 1,000 to 1500.
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This is a remodel situation. The general contractor is well regarded and selected on referral. The non-electrical parts are going fine and appear to have very good workmanship. The electrical subcontractor is a different story. But, I think that we drew this electrician based on our project having so little electrical work.
So instead of choosing an electrical contractor based on referrals or reputation you hired someone who was more affordable based on the volume of work? I guess I am struggling with the logic. Very well regarded and competitively priced electricians will also take small jobs.

The thing that gets me is the homeowner gets to choose who does their work. If they don't research and hire a cheap sub then they should realize their decisions have consequences. You made the decision to have that person do your work. In a perfect world everyone would do great work but that ultimately isn't the case.

That said, making a blanket statement about homeowners having to teach contractors is disrespectful to all the contractors you asked your question to on this forum. Those who know their business well do not need homeowners "helping" with code.
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We did not hire the electrician. The electrician was imposed on us by the GCs research. The GC was selected based on multiple neighbor referrals. I generally take first hand experience as the best research. In terms of price, the GC was in the middle. In terms of electrician cost, I don't have a clue because I never hired him.

So today we had a sit down with the GC. He is not an electrician and generally trusts the knowledge of a professional over a hack homeowner. Generally true but not in this case. There has been far too much wrong. This question was only one but I wasn't positive that it was a code violation. Thanks to you all for answering me.

As a result of this sit down, this electrician will not be in my house again. Again, thanks in part to you all for giving me one more error of many errors.
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We did not hire the electrician. The electrician was imposed on us by the GCs research. The GC was selected based on multiple neighbor referrals. I generally take first hand experience as the best research. In terms of price, the GC was in the middle. In terms of electrician cost, I don't have a clue because I never hired him.

So today we had a sit down with the GC. He is not an electrician and generally trusts the knowledge of a professional over a hack homeowner. Generally true but not in this case. There has been far too much wrong. This question was only one but I wasn't positive that it was a code violation. Thanks to you all for answering me.

As a result of this sit down, this electrician will not be in my house again. Again, thanks in part to you all for giving me one more error of many errors.
You made the right decision. Sounds like it was handled well. Good luck with the rest of your project. I bet your GC won't make the mistake of hiring the same sub again.
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As a result of this sit down, this electrician will not be in my house again. Again, thanks in part to you all for giving me one more error of many errors.
Now I'd like to hear what are some of the "many more errors" someone outside of the field would pick up on
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Well, the answer has already been posted, but I would like to share the point of view of the previous owner/builder of my house, who happens to be a "master-electrician", on this subject. Attached is a photo of part of the electrical panel as I found it. There are so many violations in this box and throughout the house that I pretty much have to re-wire the whole house.

I'm having so much fun! NOT!

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You made the right decision. Sounds like it was handled well. Good luck with the rest of your project. I bet your GC won't make the mistake of hiring the same sub again.
Exactly.
Good luck, indeed. A "good" GC, will have an electrician and plumber and framer and tiler and finisher, etc. that he absolutely trusts to do the job well. That's what experience does. A GC who goes through the phone book or doesn't have a regular guy or someone his regular guy recommends sounds a bit inexperienced.

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