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Old 08-05-2010, 06:57 PM   #16
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The purchase of this wire was unintentional. My dad and I aren't electricians, but we know what we are doing. We just got mixed up when purchasing that particular roll. In retrospect, we should have gotten romex, but as stated, the wire was already in the wall and attic when we were doing some more work, and my cousin, who is an electrician, told me about it. We do have more work to do, and I am going to finish the roll up. I do have another 100' roll of romex, that hasn't been opened yet that we will use when we run out of the current.

It has a ground wire in it, which is what I was going for. All the current wire in the house that we haven't replaced does not have any ground, as well as the outlets not having ground either. Whoever built the house was basically running the entire house off of 2 wires. The 2 bedrooms, bathroom, and living room were all spiced off of one wire. And the kitchen was being ran off the other. We have upgraded the old style fuse box to a breaker box, with more breakers that allow us to break some of the rooms up with. We are upgrading all the electrical work that we can by replacing wires to outlets we can get to without ripping the walls out to add ground. I think that having two or three outlets in a room, that have ground, will be more attractive to buyers, especially upgrading to a 3 prong outlet, which there were none when I purchased the house (didn't catch this until I tried pluggin the TV in and started cussing myself out).
No problem with the UF. I was simply saying that I wouldn't use it for that application. The inspector isn't going to care though he might wonder ...why? It kinda makes you look like you don't know what your doing but in the long run it is a small thing.

I wouldn't finish the roll of UF if you have any long length left over. I'd switch to the 100' roll of romex but that's just me.

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Old 08-05-2010, 07:13 PM   #17
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Yes, to leave the wiring he currently has in the wall.

As I mentioned, romex is extremely expensive by the foot. It's very expensive in small coils as well.

It would make no sense whatsoever for him to pull out what he has and go buy expensive pieces of cable.
I would think from what the OP stated in his first few posts you would have absolutely no idea how much length he needed., I mentioned by the foot for that reason. If he needs length then buy it by the coil 15, 25, 50 whatever gets the job done. I believe he has that much common sense.

If you needed 12 feet would you buy a 50 foot coil? If you needed 50 would you buy it by the foot ? I think he is smart enough to know what I meant.

In comparison to other wiring methods romex is cheap and he has a 100' roll of it.

My comments had nothing to do with whether he should save a buck and leave the UF installed. It had to do very simply with using the correct cable for the application ... so you look like you know what your doing when the inspector takes a peek at the wiring.
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His wiring is code compliant and perfectly safe. For him to pull it out and rewire it would be a waste of time and labor. For him to buy new wire would be a big waste of money, no matter how many feet he needs. And finally, romex by the foot is not "very reasonably priced". That's all I am saying.
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Wow.....100' @ $45
I bought my last 250' for $56...the one before that was even less
To me....250' is a short length
Where do you get 250 footer rolls? I am lucky if I find a 100 footer. Normally it only comes in 50 which imo is short and it's usually like 60 bucks.
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Where do you get 250 footer rolls? I am lucky if I find a 100 footer. Normally it only comes in 50 which imo is short and it's usually like 60 bucks.
Big box stores have it in coils wrapped in plastic, usually there are a couple pallets of it at the end of the electrical aisle. 250' of 14-2 is about $43, 250' of 12-2 is about $63.

They have 100', 50' and 25' coils inside the aisle as well, but the prices are very high compared to the 250'.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:02 PM   #21
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His wiring is code compliant and perfectly safe. For him to pull it out and rewire it would be a waste of time and labor. For him to buy new wire would be a big waste of money, no matter how many feet he needs. And finally, romex by the foot is not "very reasonably priced".

I believe he already said he was leaving it and was going to use the rest of it. Then start the 100' roll of romex he has if he needs it.

Your problem seems to be that I have an opinion you do not agree with ... no?

He is a homeowner no one is paying him so his labor is free its a matter of the correct cable ... uf is not the correct cable ..would you use UF if he hired you ?... code compliant yes.

Your hung up on romex buy the foot being expensive. Now do you really think the OP would take me to say go buy 50 foot of romex by the foot ???

You need to give him some credit.

This is what I said and I added the underline

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NM-b (romex) is very reasonably priced and can be purchased by the foot if you like at the big box.
You seem to have taken this and made a 'mountain' out of a mole hill.

Somehow I think the OP knows exactly what I am saying.
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Your problem seems to be that I have an opinion you do not agree with ... no?
I don't really have a problem and I apologize if my statements came off like that.
I do disagree with what you said, altho it's not an opinion. Romex simply is not very reasonably priced by the foot.

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He is a homeowner no one is paying him so his labor is free its a matter of the correct cable
Labor is never free, even in your own house. It costs you time with your family, energy, relaxation, etc. Pulling the wire out would be a waste of labor in my opinion.
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... uf is not the correct cable ..would you use UF if he hired you ?... code compliant yes.
No, but if it was in the wall already I would continue the work as is.
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Your hung up on romex buy the foot being expensive.
I'm not hung up on it, we are both simply having a discussion.
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Now do you really think the OP would take me to say go buy 50 foot of romex by the foot ???
I don't know. I also don't know what someone else viewing the thread might think, and I would hate for them to see what you said and think they are getting a good deal.
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You need to give him some credit.
Now you are being unfair. The OP has not had a problem with anything that I said. I have not been rude or insulting to him, I have his best interests in mind.
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You seem to have taken this and made a 'mountain' out of a mole hill.
I do not believe that I am. Again, we are having a discussion, we are both going back and forth sharing our ideas. So why are you blaming me for making a mountain out of a mole hill, having a problem, and being hung up?

If I was harassing you when you wanted to end the discussion, then I could see your point. But we are simply reply post for post.
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I intend no hard feelings either I think we have just had a discussion that maybe became off target a bit. What I meant by giving him credit was simply that I think he is capable of determining .. when buying by the foot is going to be more expensive than by a coil or roll.

I still don't understand your meaning about romex not being reasonably priced ... you have to compare it to something...no? Otherwise it is just the price of the day reasonable or not...


So anyway I too apologize if I took a little offense to having an opinion that wasn't sensible to you. I do see your point and I believe the op agrees with your opinion and not mine.
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Not for nothing BUT I find the price of romex to be pretty expensive.

I compare the pricing to the very few dollars I have sitting in my wallet.....

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I appreciate everyone's opinion. All I was asking is if was against code, and the consensus answer is it is not. I'm probably not the first person to make this mistake, and highly doubt I'll be the last.
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I appreciate everyone's opinion. All I was asking is if was against code, and the consensus answer is it is not. I'm probably not the first person to make this mistake, and highly doubt I'll be the last.
My Father did the same thing when he was finishing his attic, he went and bought the wire and ran it and then wanted me to come in later to terminate it (the hard part ).
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I wouldn't really consider it a mistake....it is safe and up to code.

Using nm-b outside is a mistake, using UF inside is just overkill
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I'll use UF sometimes when running a circuit from outside thru the basement to the panel. The higher cost of the wire is still cheaper than me having to mount a box and splice the UF to romex. It looks better to the customer by not having an exposed box, and it's more convenient if they ever want to drywall the ceiling.
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I'll use UF sometimes when running a circuit from outside thru the basement to the panel. The higher cost of the wire is still cheaper than me having to mount a box and splice the UF to romex. It looks better to the customer by not having an exposed box, and it's more convenient if they ever want to drywall the ceiling.
Ya not alone with that way I done quite few time also all it depending on what type of outdoor stuff set up it will be { pool and spa are very picky so that diffrent subject }

But for most 15 or 20 amp 120 and some 240 volt circuits yeah I run that way so keep the numbers of junction box down to bare minium.

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