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ryan50hrl 08-27-2012 10:37 AM

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Why would this outlet have been used for my sump pump?

curiousB 08-27-2012 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ryan50hrl (Post 997399)
Why would this outlet have been used for my sump pump?


Why not?

But seriously its hard to say. It looks like someone was reusing some old piece of gear with a fuse holder. I believe current code (2011) is for a individual branch circuit for sump pumps and GFCI protection.

Use one of these to be extra safe.

http://www.legrand.us/passandseymour...x#.UDubwaPedc5

ryan50hrl 08-27-2012 10:55 AM

my question is why you would use a fuse on a sump pump that's a ready on a circuit breaker system? Is there any reason that would have been done in the past? The outlet was put in within the last five or 10 years so it's not original to the house. If that outlet has failed, which it has, I would not be required to bring it up to GFCI would I? My sump pump hasn't run once in the last two years I've been here, and yes it's been hooked up to a different live circuit. If I'm not required to bring it up to GFCI by replacing the outlet, should I still?

J. V. 08-27-2012 11:02 AM

Maybe they used the fuse as an attempt to provide the required disconnecting means? Just a guess. I have to double check, but I believe you will need a switch along with the GFCI receptacle for the sump pump motor if the breaker is not in direct line of sight.

Jim Port 08-27-2012 11:08 AM

If GFI or AFCI protection would be required in that location during new installations it is required to be installed when a replacement is made. This is one of the few areas that the NEC is retroactive.

A JV, since the cord plug qualifies as a means of disconnect there would be no need for a switch.

ryan50hrl 08-27-2012 11:10 AM

Okay, looks like I'll be heading back to the store to pick up another GFCI.

Speedy Petey 08-27-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by curiousB (Post 997410)
I believe current code (2011) is for a individual branch circuit for sump pumps and GFCI protection.

Not true on either count, unless the code specifies a GFI is required for that area.

Jim Port 08-27-2012 11:28 AM

If the sump pump is in an unfinished basement or crawlspace, GFI protection would be required.

gregzoll 08-27-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan50hrl (Post 997399)
Why would this outlet have been used for my sump pump?

You will find those also on old whole house fans, furnaces/boilers. Nothing wrong with them. As they say, if it is not broke, do not fix. But nothing is wrong with bringing up to more modern codes. Keep in mind, that you lose the "grandfather" status when updating the various electrical circuits in a structure.

ryan50hrl 08-27-2012 12:26 PM

Something was broke, the outlet doesn't work anymore yet it has voltage to it, installed the new outlet now it works fine

curiousB 08-27-2012 01:00 PM

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This is how these fused switches are marketed. Maybe prior owner though he was protecting motor windings.

gregzoll 08-27-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan50hrl
Something was broke, the outlet doesn't work anymore yet it has voltage to it, installed the new outlet now it works fine

Did you try replacing the Edison fuse first, before swapping out?

ryan50hrl 08-27-2012 03:08 PM

Sure did,,,,, no luck


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