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Old 08-04-2012, 09:39 AM   #16
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Is a whole home surge protector worth it?


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Westom, why is it that you have to turn everything into a diatribe that does not need to be.
Your naysaying without any facts is disturbing and counterproductive. So I post more facts and numbers (many paragraphs) in reply to your soundbyte denials. Since I actually did this stuff, then I can post facts and numbers until your eyes boil away. Because I actually know this stuff. Even direct lightning strikes without damage were routine.

I am not trying to make you angry. Please, just once, post conclusions based in and that always include facts and numbers. Not post your feelings.

Apparently you don't like facts, numbers, and layman science. So you further insult by using the word diatribe.

It's so easy. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. If you know otherwise, then post numbers and science. Not irrelevant feelings. But that means longer posts - what you call a diatribe. Your posts are too short; are only soundbytes. Only urban myths are proven by soundbytes.

Obviously we will never get along. You don't like conclusions with supporting facts and numbers. Then get angry when a reality is described in multiple paragraphs. Such as that AT&T paper that also says what is always required for protection - earth ground.

Your solution is simple. Stop reading these posts. So simple. Stop reading what only makes you so angry that you cannot comprehend it.

How many decades did you do this stuff? I did for many decades. So your soundbyte conclusion is I must be wrong? Please.

diyer111 has a home with two wire circuits. Best possible 'secondary' protection for any home - two wire or three - starts with a properly earthed 'whole house' protector. And more important - single point earth ground. But that is only the soundbyte. How to install it and why require more paragraphs - the 'so-called' diatribe.

A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. Not safety ground - earth ground. A fact bluntly stated by every professonal organization including the AT&T paper on DSL protection. That does not change because anger or hearsay deny it. If you do not want to know, then stop reading. Your constant disparaging remarks and emotions contributed nothing to diyerlll's question or any previous discussion. Even the AT&T paper says your denials are wrong. AT&T also did this stuff for decades. So AT&T also writes diatribes?

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Old 08-04-2012, 11:35 PM   #17
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Is a whole home surge protector worth it?


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It's so easy.
A protector is only as effective as its earth ground.
It's so easy.
The IEEE surge guide says (starting page 30) plug-in protectors do not work primarily by earthing. They work by limiting the voltage from each wire (power and signal)to the ground at the protector. The voltage between the wires to the protected equipment is safe for the protected equipment.

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You don't like conclusions with supporting facts and numbers.
Conclusion:
Both the IEEE and NIST surge guides say plug-in protectors are effective.

Supporting facts:
- The only 2 detailed examples of protection in the IEEE guide use plug-in protectors
- The NIST guide says plug-in protectors are "the easiest solution"
- The NIST guide say "One effective solution is to have the consumer install" a multiport plug-in protector?
- Both the IEEE and NIST surge guides extensively discuss protection using plug-in protectors.

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A protector is only as effective as its earth ground.
Airplanes regularly get hit by lightning.
Are they crashing?
Do they drag an earthing chain?

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