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Old 02-24-2009, 07:24 PM   #16
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I wouldn't lose any sleep over the grounding issue right now. But I would try to get a GFCI on that feed somehow. Perhaps a separate box with a dead face GFCI? And is that EMT going into the earth? And still picking a nit, that IS an LB
The ground (from the feed to the romex that feeds the light) is connected in the LB, and is most likely making contact with the metal. But I can put a green ground screw in at some point.

I guess I will have to add it to my re-wire list... It on a MWBC at the panel then it is fed power to light, them power to switch box, which happens to be a over crowded 4 switch setup in a 3 gang. I am going to have to rewire to get that on a GFCI.

Yes, that EMT goes into the ground maybe 6" - 8" or so. I just replaced what they had there. The one that was there, that was 50 years old was a bit rusty / flaky on the bottom, but mostly intact. Is EMT not suppose to come in contact with the ground? Only thing I've delt with outside was ENT.

One of these days I get the LL, LB things right. Are there more than just LL and LB?

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One of these days I get the LL, LB things right. Are there more than just LL and LB?

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Oh yeah, there's LL, LR, LB, L, C, E, T, TA, TB, X...
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I am not an electrician nor do I play one on TV! But being that close to a water faucet shouldn't it be GFI protected? Or am I missing something?

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I am not an electrician nor do I play one on TV! But being that close to a water faucet shouldn't it be GFI protected? Or am I missing something?

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Yea it should. But not in 1963 when it was installed. This all started because I needed to get the romex out of the way of sistering my joists. Wasn't intended to be a modification to the circuit.

GFCI's are a good safety feature. Proper grounding and bonding go a very long way towards safety. I tend to bond everything metal together, prevents any metal item from ever becoming energized, as it has a clear fault path. If everything is properly grounded / bonded, then you can never have a metal; lamp post, garage door, fridge, etc become energized because if they did become energized, they would cause the breaker to open. Even if the break did not open for some reason, eveything would be at the same potential. When something becomes enerized and we have things at different potentials, due to improper bonding / grounding, thats when we have a problem.

I'll take proper bonding any day over a GFCI if I had to choose.

That said, I feel an obligation now to go fix this circuit. Good thing I have a really long set of glow sticks. I have to go cut up the floor now. (Yea I am serious...well it might be in the am...)

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A 7 gang box....wow
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A 7 gang box....wow
I built it myself. :-)

I think the one in the photo was a 6 ... Yea a bunch of big ones in the kitchen.


I think I need to go buy that rotozip. Now I am trying to get this lamp post on a GFCI. I keep using this wicked little fold up keyhole say I have and my 9's. when plaster is in my way.

I'll post a photo to show what I just did to the foyer in an effort to get the lamp GFCI protected.

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I don't even like triple boxes , not a single one in the house
Sunroom & kitchen I have 4 quad boxes spread around
I use the 2x & 3x switches to avoid larger boxes
In the bar area I may have a larger switch box for the lights in the great room - but I'll be able to hide that below the bar
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I don't even like triple boxes , not a single one in the house
Sunroom & kitchen I have 4 quad boxes spread around
I use the 2x & 3x switches to avoid larger boxes
In the bar area I may have a larger switch box for the lights in the great room - but I'll be able to hide that below the bar

I don't think they makevthe combo switches in 3/4way.
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I don't think they makevthe combo switches in 3/4way.
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Yes they do.

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