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Old 09-21-2009, 02:40 PM   #1
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See if you can find whats wrong in this picture.


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Are you talking about the spider or the tie wrap securing the ground wire? If the tie wrap is UV rated, it would be an AHJ decision I believe.

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Nope, its not the tie rap, or the spider.
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Since the pic is small, I'm gonna say the seal has been cut!

I can't see anything that jumps out at me.
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You took the picture crooked?
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Since the pic is small, I'm gonna say the seal has been cut!

I can't see anything that jumps out at me.
The bonding conductor is disconnected at the ground rod. Now how would you know that from this picture?

This thread was created in response to the other thread "Whats Wrong Here" regarding the dryer connections.
The point being, you cannot find something wrong or a violation when the picture does not show it. If you look at the other thread, the only way to arrive at the correct answer was to guess.

There is no violation shown in this picture.
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you took the picture crooked?
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I must admit the dryer got me, all the dryers I have wired have a bare solid flat bonding strap that you remove for a four wire connection.
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I must admit the dryer got me, all the dryers I have wired have a bare solid flat bonding strap that you remove for a four wire connection.
Me also.
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Actually in the other thread you could see that the strain relief was not installed

You could also see the green striped wire, which - if you know about the proper installation - means you need to disconnect it / make sure it is disconnected from the neutral

In this picture you can't see any wire cut
But I'd almost guess ground rod missing as I don't see a wire
Of course it could have been like my hous ebefore being upgraded - with the ground rod inside thru the concrete floor

My dryer also had the bare solid flat bonding strap
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In this picture you can't see any wire cut
But I'd almost guess ground rod missing as I don't see a wire


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what about what the tie wrap is holding to the conduit?
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That was the whole point of the dryer thread. Newer dryers utilize the green/yellow stripe wire, connected to a green screw, while the other end is not readily visible and connected to the neutral terminal.

Upon simple observation, one might think that is a correct configuration for a 4-wire cord, when in reality it is not.

I looked at some instruction manuals for electric dryers, and they call that jumper wire the "neutral grounding" wire.

It was intended to get you to think about such scenarios -- and notice how things are connected -- since the problem depicted is more widespread than most folks realize.
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I was thinking the tie wrap was holding a wire for remote meter reading

Both of my ground rod setups have PVC protecting the wire going into the ground
So it was actually the lack of any other PVC for a ground rod wire
But it's on the corner of a house (I think) so it could have exited elsewhere
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=Scuba_Dave;330641]I was thinking the tie wrap was holding a wire for remote meter reading
by no means definitive but the only 2 types of remote read meters I am aware of are via radio wave and via feedback on the powerline. Neither would have such a black about #6 wire running down the feed conduit.

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Both of my ground rod setups have PVC protecting the wire going into the ground
Not required though unless a local thing.


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So it was actually the lack of any other PVC for a ground rod wire
like I said, not required by NEC. Local codes may vary.


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But it's on the corner of a house (I think) so it could have exited elsewhere
they feed it back out the same hole you drill for the feed into the panel and then down to the ground. Saves making another hole and is nice and neat.
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Actually both of mine are fed out a seperate hole then the feeds
Originally just a ground rod driven thru the basement floor
Does NEC require it to be outside the building?
While it would take a lot to sever a #4 wire I guess it could be done
And with the cost of the wire I'm glad it's in conduit until it goes under ground

Our remote sensors used to be mounted on the house
No idea what they were or how they worked
Now its a new meter - LED readout - no more dials

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