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Disisme 04-12-2013 06:20 PM

What's needed for this?
 
Hi
I need to have a second 220 volt vat ( basicly a double boiler heated with 220 volt element) hooked up in my basement problem is I only have room for one 20 amp breaker and right now that is sometimes used for a 220 volt vat that needs the 20 amp breaker. I gave ESA a call and they said I can use a double pole single throw 20 amp switch and use the one 20 amp fuse for both as long as only one is on at a time. Now I don't know if I misunderstood him or not but how do you connect two 220 volt things to one dpst switch, it would make more sence to have two dpst switches connected in line to the 20 amp breaker.
Basicly I want to be able to turn one off and turn the other on and visa versa.
Please help set me straight on this.
Thanks
Lynn

dmxtothemax 04-12-2013 07:13 PM

The whole idea of using one DPDT switch is-
to ensure only one can be on at any one time !
With two seperate switchs its possible both can be on.

Thats why one switch is better !

Its all about safety not cost.

Disisme 04-12-2013 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dmxtothemax (Post 1157970)
The whole idea of using one DPDT switch is-
to ensure only one can be on at any one time !
With two seperate switchs its possible both can be on.

Thats why one switch is better !

Its all about safety not cost.

Yes safety is number one and doing it correctly is number one.
I'm taking your comment as using a DPDT is the much prefered method ? I've been racking my brain and I just see any way of connecting up the two vats to the DPst switch so that only one will work at a time.
Lynn

joed 04-12-2013 09:47 PM

Think of it the same as a transfer switch for a generator. Only one of the loads can be connected at any time. The switch switches between the two loads.

dmxtothemax 04-14-2013 01:07 AM

The two hot lines connect to the two common terminals of the switch
And the two hot lines are taken from the toggle positions.
the neutrals are pigtaled together.
Like wise the grounds are pigtailed together.
easy as !

Philly Master 04-14-2013 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dmxtothemax (Post 1158746)
The two hot lines connect to the two common terminals of the switch
And the two hot lines are taken from the toggle positions.
the neutrals are pigtaled together.
Like wise the grounds are pigtailed together.
easy as !


WHAT ??? :eek:

i hope they ran 12/3 ....:whistling2:

Disisme 04-14-2013 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmxtothemax (Post 1158746)
The two hot lines connect to the two common terminals of the switch
And the two hot lines are taken from the toggle positions.
the neutrals are pigtaled together.
Like wise the grounds are pigtailed together.
easy as !

This will pass inspection?

Philly Master 04-14-2013 09:51 AM

http://www.cpesupply.com/contentonly...s/Q22020_L.jpg

Disisme 04-14-2013 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Philly Master (Post 1158934)

ok looks simple enough but won't it take up 4 slots on the panel also do they make it for sq D?

Philly Master 04-14-2013 11:11 AM

2 spaces ....

dmxtothemax 04-14-2013 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Disisme (Post 1158906)
This will pass inspection?

I am not familiur with the rules of your area ?
But if it is done correctly with the correctly
rated components,
Yes it will pass.
This sort of set up is also used
for transfer switching.
Same system, different use.
Best check with an electricain in your area
to see what code requirements apply in your area.

Disisme 04-18-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Philly Master (Post 1158934)

Ok I ask again can this be found for a square d panel because I'm having a terrible time finding even a dpdt 20 amp 240 switch?

rrolleston 04-18-2013 11:54 AM

What amperage do you need a quad breaker in? And what type of square d panel do you have.

Disisme 04-18-2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rrolleston (Post 1162002)
What amperage do you need a quad breaker in? And what type of square d panel do you have.

20 amp for each of the two vats. Not sure what you mean by what type of square d panel other than it is a 200 amp panel.

dmxtothemax 04-18-2013 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Disisme (Post 1161987)
I'm having a terrible time finding even a dpdt 20 amp 240 switch?

You will probably have to go and see an electrical supply house,
These types of switchs are not commonly used in domestictype situations, instead they are more commonly used in industrial type situations.
So they will most likely not be found in places like HD.

You might not find one to go in your panel,
Instead you might have to instal it external to the panel.
Attachment 69385
Something like this !


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