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jamiedolan 11-12-2008 11:01 PM

What do you think of the push in connectors?
 
I hate push in outlets and I make nice loops around the screws instead.

I read about these push in type connectors on here, and picked some up, despite my hatred of push in devices. I thought they would be good for connections that I know I am going to need to come back and change again. I tried some tonight. They are really easy to use and speed things up.

So what do you think? Are they really ok to use? Do they have problems with poor connections the way push in outlets do? I'm not thinking they going to replace wire nuts for me, but for work I know I am going to need to change again in the near future, they seem like a huge time saver.

Jamie

kbsparky 11-12-2008 11:47 PM

I use `em for things like ballast changing. Something with limited Amps.:whistling2:

I would not use those on circuits with high amperage loads.

jamiedolan 11-12-2008 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kbsparky (Post 184114)
I use `em for things like ballast changing. Something with limited Amps.:whistling2:

I would not use those on circuits with high amperage loads.

:yes: I just used 2 of them on a ballast tonight. Honestly it was just out of laziness, I was standing in the dark with the power off with just a flashlight needing to get a connection to the ballast made and I decided to try one of the push in's on it.

Jamie

Billy_Bob 11-13-2008 12:32 AM

I see a lot of problems with push in connectors, so in general I don't like them. If I have the choice, I'll use the screw down connection.

I've not seen or used the connectors you are talking about, so I can't comment on those.

kbsparky 11-13-2008 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy_Bob (Post 184128)
...I've not seen or used the connectors you are talking about, so I can't comment on those.

Here they are:

http://www.idealindustries.com/media...ct/in-sure.jpg

CowboyAndy 11-13-2008 07:33 AM

I made a post on another forum about this... basiclly i think that they are safer to use now then say a few years ago with the 08 code cycle requiring most circuits to be gfi or afci protected...

rgsgww 11-13-2008 08:14 AM

Id use them on low amperage connections only, not any high load splices...

KE2KB 11-13-2008 08:51 AM

I was considering buying some of those multi-port connectors, but when I learned that they are push-in rather than screw-down (like Entrelec connectors are), I steered clear of them.
I'm old fashioned. I like metal boxes, pre-twisting wires, and nice bulky screw-on wirenuts.
I never use receptacles with push-in terminals either. I would like to get my hands around the neck of the guy who invented those<g>

Termite 11-13-2008 09:18 AM

I was skeptical at first but I've become a fan of them. There are a handful of very good electricians (entire companies) in this area that use them almost exclusively. Would I? Nope. Wire nuts are cheaper and just as quick. But I keep a few Wago Wal-Nuts in the bag for occasional use.

Stubbie 11-13-2008 10:18 AM

These connectors are the cats meow for many situations. The design is much different than the push in of cheap switches and receptacles. Everyone should have a selection of them in their tool bag. They are the solution imo for short wires in a device box that you can't get a wirenut on or connection of many ground wires in triple gang and larger wall boxes.
As for home owners I almost always tell them to use them exclusively or when connecting 4 wires or more. I've had to agonize too many times watching homeowners try to get 4 or 5 wires into wirenuts or choosing the wrong wirenut for the job. For 14,12 and 10 awg stranded or solid these connectors are the homeowners best bet IMO. As a side note last I knew some makers did not allow stranded wire only solid but I believe most now have listing for both. I prefer the Wago brand. They have provisions for easily removing the wire and test ports to check for voltage when troubleshooting. They probably all have these features. I still think that a wirenut is superior but not so much so that I lose any sleep over which I use a wago or wirenut.

Marvin Gardens 11-13-2008 10:57 AM

I refuse to use them. They can arc causing changes in voltage and put noise in the line.

I like clean power as my home automation uses the lines to send data signals and dirty power is a killer for that system.

Termite 11-13-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Marvin Gardens (Post 184259)
They can arc causing changes in voltage

Can you substantiate that statement with fact or is it an opinion?

If they arc, how are people successfully using them on arc-fault circuits? (and I assure you, they are)

Marvin Gardens 11-13-2008 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thekctermite (Post 184307)
Can you substantiate that statement with fact or is it an opinion?

If they arc, how are people successfully using them on arc-fault circuits? (and I assure you, they are)

I have found noise in my line, traced it to a push in receptacle, pulled it out and for educational purposes tore it apart to see what was going on.

The copper piece had evidence of arching with corroded and blackening on the strip. I have seem more that one do this. Several years ago I had a tenant tell me he was smelling burning wire. I traced it to a push in receptacle. Replaced it with a screw in and no problems since.

My guess is that the arching was so small that it would't affect the circuits.

I have also traced fires to bad push in receptacles when I was doing fire inspections. Can't say if it was the push in design but I was positive it was the receptacle that caused the fire.

It just seems weird to me to have a small piece of copper pushing against a 14 gage wire and expecting 20 amps to go through that and survive.

I guess you could say it is opinion based on life experience. The same life experience that says it is not cool to run across the freeway at night wearing dark clothes.

jamiedolan 11-13-2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stubbie (Post 184238)
As for home owners I almost always tell them to use them exclusively or when connecting 4 wires or more. I've had to agonize too many times watching homeowners try to get 4 or 5 wires into wirenuts or choosing the wrong wirenut for the job. For 14,12 and 10 awg stranded or solid these connectors are the homeowners best bet IMO.

I agree that they are going to be far easier for most people to use than wire nuts. Personally I have no problem reading the bag and making proper wire nut selection, and I can twist together 4 or 5 #12's with no problem (big lineman's pliers help). I guarantee My wire nut connections are just as good as anyone's.

However, Just as you mentioned, when your stuck with really short wires, what else do you do? Pull a new wire would be ideal, but some times impratical.

The thing I am really starting to like after using the a few of these is that I can add to a connection so quickly. Where there is a junction that I know I am going to be changing around again in the very near future, they are great. In the last day, I had one box I have had to change 3 times, the little wago made it so much easier than twisting and nutting it each time.

:-)

Jamie

kbsparky 11-13-2008 05:19 PM

Marvin, it's interesting to me that your refusal to use them is based on your experiences with a completely different product. :huh:


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