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baum 08-30-2009 06:28 PM

What to do with ground
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IN the pic is a ceiling box i have. i am wondering what to do with the grounds with i mount a light. this will be nothing special just a normal "cheaper" light fixture (its a closet). I see that most lights like this only take a hot and neutral. what should i do with the gound.


Speedy Petey 08-30-2009 06:32 PM

The only lights I know that don't have a ground are keyless fixtures. That kind of light cannot be used in a clothes or linen closet.
A fixture for closets MUST have an enclosed lamp.

A light with a ground requires the crossbar and fixture be grounded.

baum 08-30-2009 06:36 PM

what is a keyless fixture?

This is what is used throughout the basement before the "finish" what type do i need for a closet? or hallway?


Speedy Petey 08-30-2009 06:39 PM

A keyless fixture is the open lamp white screw-in base. Like you would see in an unfinished basement.

A closet, like I said, needs an enclosed lamp. A hallway does not matter.

baum 08-30-2009 06:47 PM

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so a light fixture like this?

so it needs the brace also?

Speedy Petey 08-30-2009 06:54 PM

Yes, and no. You do not need a bar box. The one you have is fine.

Jim Port 08-30-2009 07:01 PM

Watch the clearances. For an incandescent light you need 12" from the plane of the closest shelf to the edge of the fixture.

baum 08-30-2009 07:28 PM

ao then a fixture like the one in the first pic will have a ground screw on it then?

BCSparkyGirl 08-30-2009 08:55 PM

It will have a ground wire, a small guage bare wire attached to the lumiere. Put this, and the ground from the loomex together under a wire nut. And if you want to get really safe, put a pigtail ground on the mounting bracket, but I find this to be overkill IMO.

nap 08-31-2009 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by Speedy Petey (Post 321476)
A keyless fixture is the open lamp white screw-in base. Like you would see in an unfinished basement.

just a bit of expansion on this but it doesn't change the general answer

a keyless fixture is this:

If you will notice, there is no pull chain on this. There is also a keyed fixture where there is a pull chain switch on the base.

Don't know if it is the real story behind the term but I was told that in the early years of such fixtures, there was a key of some design that would be used to turn the switch and as such, if there was no switch, it would be keyless.

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