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Old 03-29-2012, 03:43 PM   #16
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There is nothing in the lease about it. And as a matter of fact, the property manager AND the plumber (they have their own people) both told me specifically that we are NOT paying for everyone's water useage when i brought it up to them. Their identical (and quick) responses made me suspicious. Now I am going to do some serious digging.

I agree, there just might be a court date in my near future...or free rent
Turn the breaker off for an hour around dinner time, then go ask your neighbors if they have water. You will know the answer pretty quickly. No sense getting the lawyers involved if your suspicions are wrong.

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That's what I would do. Turn off the breaker. See if your water goes off. It might take a few minutes as the pressure tank drains down. Then leave it off and see if the neighbours start complaining about no water.
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I would also turn it off and when someone asks if you have water just play stupid and say yours is out too. Then let them call the landlord about the water being out. Will have him scratching his head and if they tell you that you have to keep it on I would say no your not paying for water.

A friend of mine had a rental building and had to have all common area lights and pumps on separate panel and meter. And had to have water quality tests done. Not sure how large the building has to be before water quality tests are required though.
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Old 03-30-2012, 05:52 PM   #19
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Any updates? did you try shutting the breaker off for a while?
Curious to hear how this turned out.
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That's what I would do. Turn off the breaker. See if your water goes off. It might take a few minutes as the pressure tank drains down. Then leave it off and see if the neighbours start complaining about no water.
That is the correct approach. (take your shower first) Let the landord come see what the problem is. If indeed it's on your bill, leave it off until you need it. Let the rest of the tenants complain to the landlord. I suspect in a couple of days it will be solved to your liking.
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:46 AM   #21
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Well, I was planning on shutting off the breaker this weekend (Easter weekend) and see what came of it. Sunday morning I was awakened by the sound of a waterfall as on of the units above has a pipe joint bust and completely soaked the contents of one of our bedrooms with drainage water through the ceiling. I called the owner (not property manager) who told me he would get back to me. The property manager (manager in title only - all he does is collect rent) then contacted me and told me to turn off the water and he would get something going to get it fixed.
I walked out to our panel and shut off the breaker labeled 'Pump' and turned on a faucet to drain down the tank. It took about an hour, then one of the neighbors (friend of the owner - does some minor maintenance in a pinch) came home and went to take a shower, found there was no water and immediately came knocking. I told him what had happened and he said he got a call from the manager to take a look. He used his 'custodial charge' to go into the apartment above our now flooded room and checked it out. No water there either. He shut off the guys toilet and sink and asked if the leak stopped. I checked in the celing and found a leaking joint in a PVC drain pipe. He said that the manager would get a plumber out, but the whole bldg did not need to be without water.
Where it stands now: I called my utility company and am waiting to hear back on the status of an investigation. I am also filing a claim with our renter's insurance for a new bed (our pillow-top queen-size bed in my stepson's room is soaked through. After I hear back from the utility company, I will confront the manager for inappropriate meter-sharing. The owner will probably be told he cannot force us to pay for the pump and it needs to be on it's own circuit. So I am now heading from the hardware side of the issue to the business/legal side.
I appreciate everyone's input! It is funny how Easter morning the opportunity to verify this presented itself...now it's a matter of getting things corrected.
And if the question is in the back of your mind "Why don't you just move?", we look every day but cannot find anything in our price range anywhere near where we live. Either it is way to small, or way over our budget, or way out of the way in BFE. Trust me, I would walk out tomorrow if we could! (Let the manager take me to court...I have a stack of emails/videos/pics of the problems with this bldg [such as not ONE GFCI outlet in the unit we live in and 4 outlets within 24 inches of a sink]....I don't think he wants it anymore than I do...lol)

Thanks again everyone!
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Well, I was planning on shutting off the breaker this weekend (Easter weekend) and see what came of it. Sunday morning I was awakened by the sound of a waterfall as on of the units above has a pipe joint bust and completely soaked the contents of one of our bedrooms with drainage water through the ceiling. I called the owner (not property manager) who told me he would get back to me. The property manager (manager in title only - all he does is collect rent) then contacted me and told me to turn off the water and he would get something going to get it fixed.
I walked out to our panel and shut off the breaker labeled 'Pump' and turned on a faucet to drain down the tank. It took about an hour, then one of the neighbors (friend of the owner - does some minor maintenance in a pinch) came home and went to take a shower, found there was no water and immediately came knocking. I told him what had happened and he said he got a call from the manager to take a look. He used his 'custodial charge' to go into the apartment above our now flooded room and checked it out. No water there either. He shut off the guys toilet and sink and asked if the leak stopped. I checked in the celing and found a leaking joint in a PVC drain pipe. He said that the manager would get a plumber out, but the whole bldg did not need to be without water.
Where it stands now: I called my utility company and am waiting to hear back on the status of an investigation. I am also filing a claim with our renter's insurance for a new bed (our pillow-top queen-size bed in my stepson's room is soaked through. After I hear back from the utility company, I will confront the manager for inappropriate meter-sharing. The owner will probably be told he cannot force us to pay for the pump and it needs to be on it's own circuit. So I am now heading from the hardware side of the issue to the business/legal side.
I appreciate everyone's input! It is funny how Easter morning the opportunity to verify this presented itself...now it's a matter of getting things corrected.
And if the question is in the back of your mind "Why don't you just move?", we look every day but cannot find anything in our price range anywhere near where we live. Either it is way to small, or way over our budget, or way out of the way in BFE. Trust me, I would walk out tomorrow if we could! (Let the manager take me to court...I have a stack of emails/videos/pics of the problems with this bldg [such as not ONE GFCI outlet in the unit we live in and 4 outlets within 24 inches of a sink]....I don't think he wants it anymore than I do...lol)

Thanks again everyone!
I think it would be in your best interest to contact a lawyer! The owner/manager isn't going take this laying down I suspect.
Despise the obvious, I thing your going to have a fight on your hands.
Good luck!
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No doubt it's going to be a fight. I am going to try to use it as leverage right now, but to paraphrase a line out of National Treasure: BoS, things will remain stable only as long as the status quo remains the same. The minute I lose the "upper hand" (so to speak), it's not going to be pretty. Luckily, I have the socialist policies of the state on my side. Our former AG (now governor) is a HUGE proponent of tenant rights. I think I could probably get an atty to jump on it if it comes to it. I would REALLY like to avoid it, but I need to make sure my family and I are justly compensated so it may end up being a foregone conclusion.
For posterity's sake, I will update this thread (if possible) in case a situation similar happens elsewhere. I know it's not DIY, per se, but it is the "aftermath" of a DIY situation...lol
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The damage should be covered by the apartment owners insurance not your renters insurance. I would turn the water off when you are not using it and demand they pay for everything.
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Just a quick update regarding the status to date....

The investigation by the utility company is underway. One of the perks of living in NY I guess is their view on tenants. They must notify the manager/owner of the investigation when they begin the "hands on" portion. That ought to be fun.

The manager still hasn't had anyone (not one person) come look at the leak and ruined bed. I researched the landlord-tenant law and have opted to "walk the line" and have withheld rent this month. The chances of them filing a homeowner's claim are looking slim and this month ought to just about cover it. lol

Moving is still in the front of my mind....if only I could find a place.

This situation would be a GREAT place to train apprentice carpenters, plumbers, and electricians....show them all the things NOT to do...(I am still aghast at all the code violations. I am not licensed, but grew up in the trades and even *I* recognize some of the blatant ones.)

Will update when I hear back from one or the other (utility/owner)

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