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Old 12-23-2013, 01:01 PM   #31
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I installed some tamper proof receptacles from lowes (forgot the brand) and did not have problems. Maybe one time when I tried to jam a plug into it too quickly, but nothing besides that.

I wonder if it's a brand-specific issue.

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I installed some tamper proof receptacles from lowes (forgot the brand)
Probably Cooper.
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Old 12-23-2013, 02:52 PM   #33
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The house uses Hubbell TR receptacles.
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Old 12-23-2013, 11:50 PM   #34
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Ah, so you are saying the problem is just dirty, dry sticking shutters. I wonder if giving them a good soak in some chemical or oil would help the American style. Though if I want to the trouble of removing them I would probably just replace them with the old style. Any ideas that can be used with the receptacle still in the wall?
Remove the problem one and replace it. No need for anything else. Replacing with non tamper would be against the code article that was already posted.
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Is that a new code? My house was built with all regular outlets throughout (NJ). I recently installed the tamper resistant outlets in the kids bedrooms. Thinking of doing the downstairs lower outlets ones soon too.

Do they make these in the 20a style for my lower kitchen outlets? I've only seen 15a ones.

I found it easier to angle the plug some so the neutral side hits the shutter first then press the whole thing in.
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The code was 2008, but depending on how fast your state adopts code, whether or not they take exception to the article or not, the implementation dates may vary widely.
In Calif, they were not required until 2011.
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You do not need 20 amp receptacles in the kitchen.
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Not gonna get into a discussion of the over-protectiveness of the nanny state. I do wonder, though, just how many young children in the U.S. are killed (or seriously injured) by sticking something into a receptacle. I suspect the actual number is quite small or nonexistent altogether. All five of my children (now grown, with kids of their own) did it at one time or another. A couple did it more often than the rest. Other than being scared witless and occasionally popping a breaker, absolutely nothing ever happened. I have no problem with such devices per se; what I would object to is being forced to use them. Like the AFCIs and bogus radon remediation I was required to install when I built my house, TPRs would be a total waste of my money.
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you will have bigger issues if you try to repair , clean , soak, or modify this recpt. in any way
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Not gonna get into a discussion of the over-protectiveness of the nanny state. I do wonder, though, just how many young children in the U.S. are killed (or seriously injured) by sticking something into a receptacle. I suspect the actual number is quite small or nonexistent altogether. All five of my children (now grown, with kids of their own) did it at one time or another. A couple did it more often than the rest. Other than being scared witless and occasionally popping a breaker, absolutely nothing ever happened. I have no problem with such devices per se; what I would object to is being forced to use them. Like the AFCIs and bogus radon remediation I was required to install when I built my house, TPRs would be a total waste of my money.
My money is on the ones that felt like experiment needed to be repeated.
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I do wonder, though, just how many young children in the U.S. are killed (or seriously injured) by sticking something into a receptacle.
The numbers used were 2400 children a year (7 per day) receiving emergency room treatment for burns. And though rare, some cases fatal.

You can then ask how many more were treated at home, or did not seek treatment.

When you consider that the vast majority of these are children 6 and under, it is worthwhile.
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I hate 'assumptions' regarding statistics....

http://www.esfi.org/index.cfm/page/I...tics/pid/12015

Household Injuries and Accidents:

More than 30,000 non-fatal shock accidents occur each year.
Each year in the U.S., more than 100,000 people are treated in hospital emergency rooms due to a scalding injury.
Hot tap water accounts for nearly 1 in 4 of all scald burns among children and is associated with more deaths and hospitalizations than any other hot liquid burns.
Each day, nearly 7 children are treated in hospital emergency rooms for electrical shock or burn injuries caused by tampering with a wall outlet.
In 2007, over 98,000 children ages 14 and under were treated for burn injuries in hospital emergency rooms.
The most common causes of product-related thermal burn injuries among children ages 14 and under are hair curlers, curling irons, room heaters, ovens/ranges, and irons.
In 2009, ranges and ovens were involved in an estimated 17,300 thermal burn injuries seen in U.S. hospital emergency rooms. 36% (5,600) of these burn victims were under the age of 5.
Heating equipment accounted for 58,660 injuries reported to hospital emergency rooms in 2009. Space heaters accounted for 19% of the total injuries, but more than two-thirds of the thermal burn injuries.
For every 10 poison exposures in children, approximately 9 occur in the home.
- See more at: http://www.esfi.org/index.cfm/page/I....akQoJyes.dpuf
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You do not need 20 amp tamper proof receptacles in the kitchen.
you sure about that? pretty sure just about every countertop receptacle falls under the requirements.
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Tamper proof...yes

20A...no
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Tamper proof...yes

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ah, i see what he is saying now. i read it as 20 amp receptacles in a kitchen don't need to be tr, because the location or the 20 amp rating makes them exempt.

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