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DangerMouse 05-17-2009 03:08 PM

Violation?
 
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isn't this a violation?
i thought ANY outlets near water source had to be gfic?

tnkx

DM

loyal 05-17-2009 03:14 PM

Are you sure that they are not GFCI'd?
Could be a GFCI breaker or a GFCI recept that they are loaded off of.
Did you check in cabinet under sink?

jbfan 05-17-2009 03:53 PM

It has nothing to do with water. Counter top receptacles require gfci protection.
Are they protected by a breaker?

Yoyizit 05-17-2009 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DangerMouse (Post 274828)
isn't this a violation?
i thought ANY outlets near water source had to be gfic?

tnkx

DM

Yes, I thought so, within a certain distance, for reasons of a water pipe ground and water being present.
The water removes the current-limiting benefit of the resistance of dry skin, as do voltages >600v.

Speedy Petey 05-17-2009 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoyizit (Post 274837)
Yes, I thought so, within a certain distance, for reasons of a water pipe ground and water being present.
The water removes the current-limiting benefit of the resistance of dry skin, as do voltages >600v.

No, there is no "within XXX distance to a water source". It may seem that way but that is not how the code is written.

The code also says "GFI PROTECTED". Not "must be GFI". So those receptacles most likely are either off a GFI breaker or loaded out from a nearby GFI device, as the others have said.

DangerMouse 05-17-2009 04:48 PM

the one with the switches is gfci, so maybe they're strung from it? didn't think of that.
this is new const. btw. (not my place)

DM

handyman78 05-17-2009 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DangerMouse (Post 274846)
the one with the switches is gfci, so maybe they're strung from it? didn't think of that.
this is new const. btw. (not my place)
DM

As it is new contruction, and if done properly and inspected- these outlets are highly likely to be GFCI protected- (probably didn't bother with the stickers!) I wired my kitchen like this- 2-20a circuits along the counter being fed by an initial GFCI for each- all the rest are regular outlets but protected by the first in the circuit.

micromind 05-17-2009 07:07 PM

Trip the GFI, and see what still works.

Rob

Yoyizit 05-17-2009 07:08 PM

You can check for GFCI protection.
With a
http://images.lowes.com/product/conv...64481000md.jpg
and a small incand bulb, 10w or so, run one wire into the short outlet slot and the other into the ground slot.
The light will go out and you'll hear a click somewhere in the house.

Bigplanz 05-17-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by handyman78 (Post 274880)
As it is new contruction, and if done properly and inspected- these outlets are highly likely to be GFCI protected- (probably didn't bother with the stickers!) I wired my kitchen like this- 2-20a circuits along the counter being fed by an initial GFCI for each- all the rest are regular outlets but protected by the first in the circuit.

The little stickers don't stay on long, at least not in a kitchen or bathroom, where, oh, they are most likely to be used, if used at all. :)

DangerMouse 05-17-2009 07:20 PM

not my home, so i don't really care. i was just curious.
personally, i think i'd use individual gfci's for each.

the outdoor balusters were also more than 4" spaces between.
THAT is wrong, no?

DM

Scuba_Dave 05-17-2009 08:19 PM

I've never seen the stickers anywhere
Except for the ones in my own house that I put up

InPhase277 05-17-2009 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DangerMouse (Post 274896)
not my home, so i don't really care. i was just curious.
personally, i think i'd use individual gfci's for each.

Why? That is an un-necessary expense.

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the outdoor balusters were also more than 4" spaces between.
THAT is wrong, no?

DM
That is more of a local building code. I have heard 4" or 6" depending on where I was.

Speedy Petey 05-17-2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DangerMouse (Post 274896)
personally, i think i'd use individual gfci's for each.

I agree, WHY?
Completely unnecessary and wasteful.

When I see this to me it screams DIY'er who didn't know what they were doing. :whistling2:

Bigplanz 05-18-2009 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DangerMouse (Post 274896)

the outdoor balusters were also more than 4" spaces between.
THAT is wrong, no?

DM

Four inch max spacing, at least here in Louisville.


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