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Old 03-10-2008, 03:12 PM   #46
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We did get the numbers but it was an older couple using 1/2 the electric of a younger family and were on a budget with the electrc co. They basically bought the home way back and didnt upgrade or replace many things over the years. Water heater, dishwasher, dryer( electric) to name few.
I assure you, if they were heating the house to 70 degrees as you are, their cost could not be less than your cost. Older people aren't charged 1/2 price for electricity.

Perhaps they had some kind of balanced billing plan, where the higher winter heating costs were spread out over an entire year.

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Old 03-10-2008, 06:29 PM   #47
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Just how "high" are these montly bills....and try and be specific
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Old 03-11-2008, 08:53 AM   #48
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Just how "high" are these montly bills....and try and be specific
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You mention "replacement windows". What kind, find out the manufacturer, see if they are energy star rated. Just because there are "replacement" windows in the house does not mean you are not losing 20-30 percent of your heat through them.

You need windows that have a U-value of .3 or better in a climate zone such as yours. More importantly, if they are hung or sliders, they are probably leaking air like crazy. A hung window will allow about 30 times the air infiltration of a casement window.

Find the manufacturer and get the test results for the U-value and the air infiltration. Then do an infiltration analysis. I could help with that.
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Old 04-09-2008, 07:37 PM   #50
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Let's try and keep it real. Ok, you pay .179 per kwh. Sounds like Massachussetts to me. That means you need to find ways to use as little as possible and remain comfortable to YOUR standards. I have a client who is using low voltage electric radiant to heat his 3000sf house in Mass. and it costs him $400./mo.

The reality is that electric baseboard installed in a super efficient home (envelope) is a better application then even radiant can be. It all depends on the heat loss.

It sounds more like you need to go through your home with a fine tooth comb and have all the insulation issues taken care of. Blow it, lay it or staple it up everywhere you can. You mentioned that there is insulation in the attic. How much? Put more! If all the windows are 10 years or newer, they're probably fine, unless they were junk.

Check the seals around your doors, etc..That's the only real, first investment you should make in your new home. Once that's done, you can better see how efficient the system can be. If it doesn't help considerably, then, and only then, consider a different heating option. With exception to the hot water heater, replacing all your appliances won't give you back anything on your investment in any kind of real time that matters.
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Old 04-10-2008, 04:09 PM   #51
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Roughly every month a new poster comes here complaining of an outrageous utility bill. Rarely do they ever return with the solution, I suspect because the OP's fail to mention all of the variables only they're aware of.
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What is the price of electricity and gas in your area. Around here it saves a lot of money to switch from electric anything to propane or oil. Electric costs $.17/kwh and propane is $2.70.

Getting a high efficiency (front-load) washer will save a lot of money because they use about 1/3 as much water, and they leave the clothes almost dry, so you save money on the dryer too.

I'd plan to switch out the dryer and water heater for new gas models as money allows, and get energy efficient dish and clothes washers. Watch for CFL bulbs on sale, and stock up. Those save a large amount of electricity and are cheap when on sale (should find them for a buck a piece).
If you switch to a front loader washer, be careful in selecting the model you buy.
I had a Sears Kenmore machine that lasted only 3 years. The bearings went.
Check with Consumer Reports.

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Old 08-06-2008, 09:22 AM   #53
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If you switch to front loader be aware that the wash cycle is much longer on them. It takes longer to wash your clothes.
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Old 08-06-2008, 03:56 PM   #54
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If you are comfortable with electricity:

I wanted to check the energy consumption on my elec. water heater so I hooked up an analog electric clock through a dropping resistor so it could run on 240v and the clock would only see 120v. It worked.

Some stores sell appliances for use overseas, and you might find an analog, mechanical clock that would work on 240v. If it's a 50 Hz clock you need to do a correction factor, but I assume you are looking for gross over-consumption.

The other way to raise your kwh is to consume high current in some appliance, but for this you'd need an ammeter.
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Holy **** 4.909 mega watts in 35 days I would call the POCO and have them check the meter. I highly doubt (unless ur growing pot in ur basement) that you would use that much energy in 35 days.
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Holy **** 4.909 mega watts in 35 days I would call the POCO and have them check the meter. I highly doubt (unless ur growing pot in ur basement) that you would use that much energy in 35 days.
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Since this thread has popped up again I would like to retract my statement regarding demand type water heaters. (Tankless). I have learned a good bit more about them and have come to the conclusion that the installation cost may out weigh the energy benefit. The only realistic use IMO is to use only demand type water heaters at the point of use. I would not recommend a whole house demand unit.
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Since this thread has popped up again I would like to retract my statement regarding demand type water heaters. (Tankless). I have learned a good bit more about them and have come to the conclusion that the installation cost may out weigh the energy benefit. The only realistic use IMO is to use only demand type water heaters at the point of use. I would not recommend a whole house demand unit.
I think even a simple total-cost-of-ownership calculation on the back of an envelope would demolish most salesmens' pitches for these kind of things.
"Costs" included would be maintenance & repair over time, actual energy savings, total service lifetime, any hazards with these things, undesirable noises from the controller, is it "touchy", does it drift out of adjustment [a soft failure], is it intolerant of "dirty" power, etc.

The salespeople quote peak performance and the quickest payback.
The average payback period is more meaningful, and it would also be nice to know how badly some people have done with these things, and why. Maybe for some applications and for some HO's, this tankless option should not even be considered.

Unlike buying a new car, I don't think vanity figures in with this kind of purchase, so the buyer can probably be more rational when choosing this item.
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here is what I do to save on elect. and money. I always wash clothes in cold water since Tide cold water came out. I don't even use the dryer. Truely, never, I hang things on my porch line or jeans over the chair in front of a fan. All my work clothes I just book, lay them out flat on my kitchen counter. When they dry there is not a wrinkle on them. I don't have to iron any more. I run fans in every room. I can get by with the AC on 80. This year I didn't turn my AC on until June, I'm being honest. Oh, back to the clothes, just because you wear them doesn't mean you have to wash them if you didn't get them dirty and believe me I don't wash clothes that are not dirty. I have a family of 4 and I wash about 3 loads a wk. I have a dishwasher, but I never use it. One day I noticed that it took 96 min to wash a load of dishes, that was2 years ago and I haven't use it since. I turn off all the red lights that stay on when you turn stuff off, that saves me 10% monthly. I changed the shower heads and commodes to save on the water bill. I recycle plastic bottles for drinking water. I cancled all the maintaince charges on cable and the phone bill, that saved my 200 yearly. I don't have any services on my cell phone that ever generates a useage charge. Useage charges can sky rocket your cell bill. I don't have HBO, SHO or any additional charges on my cable bill. I always use coupons. I have my stamps delivered by the post man. I reuse the back of junk mail that somehow finds it's way to me. I went to FTC.GOV and opted out perm. for life on firm offers of ins. and CC for me and for my 18 year old son. The list of things I do is endless. I just have all the time in the world to save money and the planet. My boys crack jokes about me, but I don't mind. Guess what, I have been saving all this money I have saved on all this and I have saved enough to replace all the windows in our home with energy ones Forgot to say, I just turn the hot waterheater off after all our showers and on 1hr before we need to take one the next day and after we all are finished, I just flip the switch.

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