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01-19-2013, 12:52 PM
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My take on this is: Most electricians are educated in school with the standard parts and equipments. They don't think beyond the normal gears to see what really is the code, how to calculate voltage and current and find out if something is really up to code. They only know what they use in class and what they buy from their supply stores.
Thus, the solution we came up with here is foreign to them. They don't even bother to check if this foreign thing is good. They just say NONONO!!
Damm... I wasted all the effort and money... I still need to pay an electrician to redo all the work!!!!
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Look at all the time we waste here guys. All we need to do is that simple stuff like voltage and current calculations.  
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01-19-2013, 02:36 PM
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Right now, insurance company's inspector is asking for an electrian's write-off. So far, two electricians looked at it and basically said it has to be redone or no way i will pass it.
They don't bother to show me the codes... either let them redo it or good luck finding one electrician who will be willing to check all the codes and pass it.
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01-19-2013, 02:40 PM
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Can you post pictures of the junction box you have and let us try to help you?
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01-19-2013, 02:42 PM
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Most electricians will refuse to sign off on someones work. You may have to get an electrical inspector to sign off on your work.
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01-19-2013, 03:19 PM
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Let me get this straight. You are looking for an electrician to sign off on your work???
I was wondering why an electrician was involved. No, they don't have to tell you anything. If they look at it and don't like what they see that can just walk.
Personally, when someone calls for this kind of thing, and they do, I just tell them no over the phone. An electrician would be out of his mind to put his name on someone's DIY work.
WHY are you doing it this way anyway? Why not just get it inspected yourself?
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01-19-2013, 03:55 PM
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I guess I can't see why you are insisting on doing this a non-standard way when the standard is easy, inexpensive, and proven safe.
I had to turn an old panel into a junction box about a year ago. It wasn't hard and didn't require anything that can't be found in the electrical aisle at any big box store.
I really think that you should just pay someone to do this work for you. This isn't the sort of thing you want to experiment with.
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01-19-2013, 04:31 PM
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Back then, all electricians quoted $1200+ to do the work, with a lot of plus plus plus if ....
I got to the bottom of it and did it myself. Well, material cost a lot more than I thought.. Just a new panel box was $$$...
Now, insurance wants electrician to write off it. Electrians won't write off it....
Basically, this world has evolved that you shouldn't do anything yourself... Always need to rely on others just to be accepted in the system..
Thank you guys for replying to the thread. I myself is very disappointed with the evolvement ...
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01-19-2013, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by hohadcr
Back then, all electricians quoted $1200+ to do the work, with a lot of plus plus plus if ....
I got to the bottom of it and did it myself. Well, material cost a lot more than I thought.. Just a new panel box was $$$...
Now, insurance wants electrician to write off it. Electrians won't write off it....
Basically, this world has evolved that you shouldn't do anything yourself... Always need to rely on others just to be accepted in the system..
Thank you guys for replying to the thread. I myself is very disappointed with the evolvement ...
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You could hire an electrical inspector to inspect your work. And you could post pictures here so we can see if we notice anything that should be done different.
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01-19-2013, 06:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hohadcr
Back then, all electricians quoted $1200+ to do the work, with a lot of plus plus plus if ....
I got to the bottom of it and did it myself. Well, material cost a lot more than I thought.. Just a new panel box was $$$...
Now, insurance wants electrician to write off it. Electrians won't write off it....
Basically, this world has evolved that you shouldn't do anything yourself... Always need to rely on others just to be accepted in the system..
Thank you guys for replying to the thread. I myself is very disappointed with the evolvement ...
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Well, you can blame your insurance company for all this then. There is no "system" to be accepted into. The electricians and inspectors have nothing to do with your insurance company. In fact, I find it VERY questionable that your ins co is asking for this. Really what they are asking for is someone to blame if something goes wrong.
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01-19-2013, 06:30 PM
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You could hire an electrical inspector to inspect your work. And you could post pictures here so we can see if we notice anything that should be done different.
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Apparently that's not good enough for his ins co.
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01-19-2013, 06:45 PM
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I am itching to see pictures.
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01-21-2013, 11:54 AM
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Its been a very long time since I looked at the specs of a wirenut, but every standard wirenut is rated for 600V and does not have an amperage rating. If I remember correctly, a standard red wirenut can fit 2 #8's which would be good for 50A.
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I know that I have some that I've been avoided using in fluorescent ballast replacement because they are not rated to 600V. It is kind of a PITA to remember. IIRC, the lesser ones are rated 300V. Yea, I know, they'd probably be fine 
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01-21-2013, 12:26 PM
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I know that I have some that I've been avoided using in fluorescent ballast replacement because they are not rated to 600V. It is kind of a PITA to remember. IIRC, the lesser ones are rated 300V. Yea, I know, they'd probably be fine |
Baby blue wire nuts are listed at 300 volts.
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01-21-2013, 08:38 PM
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My god what a thread! But back to an earlier point. In my county, we use a 2 out of 3 rule for meter, panel, and SE cable. If you replace only one, they'll grandfather most things that are not up to current code on the other 2. If you replace 2, you have to replace the third. Makes sense to me (and it saved me a pile of work because my very long SE cable is 3 wire, not 4.) Is that policy unusual?
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01-21-2013, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by philS
My god what a thread! But back to an earlier point. In my county, we use a 2 out of 3 rule for meter, panel, and SE cable. If you replace only one, they'll grandfather most things that are not up to current code on the other 2. If you replace 2, you have to replace the third. Makes sense to me (and it saved me a pile of work because my very long SE cable is 3 wire, not 4.) Is that policy unusual?
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All SE cable is 3 wire. SER cable is 4 wire
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