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Why? I find it to be a good thing. When fuse panels were common, the grounding requirements aren't near what they are today. Not to mention that over the years, everything has been corroded. Now look at what they used to use (in this area) for service entrance conductors. Many of them are copper clad with cloth covered TW that has been damaged from 50+ years of sun, rain, snow, and cold.
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07-25-2012, 08:39 PM
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Why? I find it to be a good thing. When fuse panels were common, the grounding requirements aren't near what they are today. Not to mention that over the years, everything has been corroded. Now look at what they used to use (in this area) for service entrance conductors. Many of them are copper clad with cloth covered TW that has been damaged from 50+ years of sun, rain, snow, and cold.
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But, its still a hardship if the meter and conductors are in perfect condition, or lets say, worry free. 
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07-25-2012, 08:43 PM
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But, its still a hardship if the meter and conductors are in perfect condition, or lets say, worry free. |
That leaves it up to interpretation.
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07-25-2012, 08:44 PM
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That leaves it up to interpretation.
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So you would be cool with having to rip out knob and tube if it existed, or heck, even old BX? Im just trying to prove my point of hardship, its existing, leave it alone unless instructed by the homeowner, gotta love how someone dictates how you are required to spend your money.
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Nobody forces them to replace their panel...or service.
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07-25-2012, 08:53 PM
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Nobody forces them to replace their panel...or service.
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I know, i hope you can just see my view on the situation, of course... it doesn't affect me at all, i'm just kind of shocked someone felt the need to mandate this.
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07-25-2012, 09:35 PM
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Here in 84,Pa.15330, New service , complete.
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07-25-2012, 09:40 PM
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Here in 84,Pa.15330, New service , complete.
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But when does a new panel constitute as a new service? 
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07-25-2012, 10:13 PM
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up in Quebec, new breaker box requires all bedrooms with arc breakers.
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07-25-2012, 10:53 PM
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What does the insurance company have to do with it???
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Most insurance companies want the damn fuse boxes out of the house, period. Anyone pissing around trying to be cute with the fuse box usually screws up something causing a fire hazard. Insurance companies don't like fires. The insurance co. will drop the customer like a sack of dirt. Just saying.
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07-25-2012, 10:55 PM
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Why would the insurance company complain about fuses when fuses are allowed by the NEC? 
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07-25-2012, 11:01 PM
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Why would the insurance company complain about fuses when fuses are allowed by the NEC? |
Because people install pennies behind them. Seriously though, there is no safe way to ensure that someone won't install a larger fuse than safely allowed, they are frowned upon by the insurance industry.
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07-25-2012, 11:06 PM
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Most insurance companies want the damn fuse boxes out of the house, period. Anyone pissing around trying to be cute with the fuse box usually screws up something causing a fire hazard. Insurance companies don't like fires. The insurance co. will drop the customer like a sack of dirt. Just saying.
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Really? And you have this on good authority?
You've seen it happen? Did the insurance police come knocking asking to see your fuse box?
WHY would the insurance company even be aware of this?????? 
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07-25-2012, 11:09 PM
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Really? And you have this on good authority?
You've seen it happen? Did the insurance police come knocking asking to see your fuse box?
WHY would the insurance company even be aware of this?????? |
My buddy got flagged at his house because he didnt have a railing on his front steps, they did a drive by....
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07-25-2012, 11:27 PM
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Do I buy all new relays and install them in the old fuse box?
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Relays?? What relays? 
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