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Old 01-27-2010, 09:06 AM   #1
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I did a search for on this site with very little results.
I have owned nine different homes in the 45 years of my marriage. Ocassionally I would find a receptical installed with the groung up. This was no great concern, but this home, built in 1998, has ALL receptical installed, what I consider, upsidedown.
This presents a problem with appliances and other electrical items that are designed for the ground down application. Plug in air freshners and refrigerators just to name two.
I posted my concern on two different electrical forums and was really surprised to find that most electricians prefer instillation with the ground up! Many gave the reason for ground up installation being that if the plug comes out a small amount an object can fall and contact the hot and common wires.
To me, this is rediculous. What are the chances of this happening? Also, if the ground is installed up the cord runs up the wall and will eventually pull the plug away from the receptical.
I know that there is no code adressing receptical installation and that it is a matter of personal preference as to how it is done.
What are your thoughts related to outlet orientation?

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Most outlets I install now are ground up
I do have some that I leave ground down for one reason or another
I don't really have any cords that run up the wall as you state
The ones I have come straight out from the wall no matter which way the outlet is installed

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This is a WELL TROD topic. Use the handy search function on the site and find many threads on this topic including this one.

And that's all I have to say about that.
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...What are your thoughts related to outlet orientation?
Unless local codes require otherwise, if the orientation of a particular recepticl is causing you a problem, then flip it over. It should not require any modification to the wiring, just unscrew three screws (one for the cover plate, two for the outlet), carefully pull the outlet out of the box, rotate it in the direction that will cause the least wire tangling, carefully push the wire and outlet back in the box, and replace the screws.
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Unless local codes require otherwise, if the orientation of a particular recepticl is causing you a problem, then flip it over. It should not require any modification to the wiring, just unscrew three screws (one for the cover plate, two for the outlet), carefully pull the outlet out of the box, rotate it in the direction that will cause the least wire tangling, carefully push the wire and outlet back in the box, and replace the screws.
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I had that in my first draft when I was going to number the steps, then turned around and left it out when I changed brief wording.

Thanks for that VERY IMPORTANT catch.

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There's no code-driven reason for putting them ground up. Seems like a lot of commercial electricians do it that way, whereas most of the residential electricians don't (around here anyways).

Personally I like them ground down because of the aforementioned convenience reasons.
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There's no code-driven reason for putting them ground up. Seems like a lot of commercial electricians do it that way, whereas most of the residential electricians don't (around here anyways).

Personally I like them ground down because of the aforementioned convenience reasons.

There is that and the MOST crucial problem of which way the switch plate screw should be, vertical or horizontal
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There is that and the MOST crucial problem of which way the switch plate screw should be, vertical or horizontal
that has been resolved. It is vertical


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Scuba_Dave Most outlets I install now are ground up
so why do you put them in upside down?


In my area of the world (near university of notre dame), ground down is the most common and unless the job spec's it, on new construction, that is usually how it goes. On addition, rehab, whatever, you match what is there.

I have noticed that more and more areas do tend to have the ground up but in reality, that is usually wrong for most of the 90 cord plugs although not all.


so, what you do is get these:



they rotate to whatever you want
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Link for those is http://www.westsidewholesale.com/15a...let-white.html
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But how does the screwless wallplate stay in place, J-B Weld?


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I use the hemisphere rule:
  • Northern hemisphere = gound down
  • Southern hemisphere = ground up
This way the ground is properly polerized with the earth's rotation.

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I use the hemisphere rule:
  • Northern hemisphere = gound down
  • Southern hemisphere = ground up
This way the ground is properly polerized with the earth's rotation.

but now that the earths magnetic field is moving, and faster than ever before, some fear it is the early stages of a flip of the magnetic field of the earth. would that mean you have to go around and flip every recep already installed based on your justification if the fields do flip?
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but now that the earths magnetic field is moving, and faster than ever before, some fear it is the early stages of a flip of the magnetic field of the earth. would that mean you have to go around and flip every recep already installed based on your justification if the fields do flip?
Yet another reason to get those rotating outlets. Even if he does attach the screwless cover plate with J-B Weld, he'll still be able to flip the outlets when the earth's magnetic pole flip.


WAIT a Minute!!!!

He's not going to be able to install those rotating outlets is he? At least not in most locations in new construction for most municipalities in the U.S. Don't the plugs have to be tamper resistant to meed the new codes?
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that has been resolved. It is vertical


so why do you put them in upside down?


The only real reason to put in a recepticle "ground-up" is for safety. If an object should fall on the wire and partially pull it out, then the ground would be partially exposed, not the hot and neutral. THis would prevent electrocution, should you (or your child) should be unlucky enough to grab the hot leads.

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