Forums | Home Repair | Home Improvement | Painting | Interior Decorating | Remodeling | Landscaping


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Electrical

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 12-07-2012, 06:13 PM   #16
E2 Electrician
 
stickboy1375's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Litchfield, CT
Posts: 4,235
Share |
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


Quote:
Originally Posted by TTW View Post
See if there is a bare copper wire, about the thickness of a pencil, going into your main panel, or into your meter box outside and if there is, see if you can find where it or they originate.
Why would it be bare?
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
stickboy1375 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2012, 06:18 PM   #17
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Nashua, NH, USA
Posts: 6,779
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


Quote:
Originally Posted by stickboy1375 View Post
Why would it be bare?
Cheaper than insulated wire, and ground wires don't need insulation considering that they often run between exposed metal objects.

If a ground wire is insulated, the insulation must be green in color.

Water meters and water heaters should have a #6* copper wire connected between the inlet and outlet pipes (if metal), with an appropriate clamp holding it on each pipe. Sections of metal plumbing not bonded (electrically connected) together because of a piece of plastic pipe in between should similarly be bonded.

* Larger if the building service is for more than 100 amps, I don't have the size table handy now.
__________________
The average homeowner who lost his house in the Oklahoma tornadoes should move for good and not rebuild. Too much complexity watchdogging the contractor. Too much a chance to be defrauded.

Last edited by AllanJ; 12-07-2012 at 06:23 PM.
AllanJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2012, 06:19 PM   #18
TTW
Member
 
TTW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Maine
Posts: 350
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


Quote:
Originally Posted by stickboy1375 View Post
Why would it be bare?
Just what I usually see, but I was going to bring that up. In my house it is actually insulated and is black, but pretty obvious in my case at the water meter, as about 2 feet was stripped to jump around the water meter.

Anyhow, it would probably be a thick single wire going it's own little lonesome way...
__________________
#1 - If you don't know what you're doing - get a licensed electrician!
#2 - If you follow my advice and something bad happens see # 1
Electricity bites hard, and it could be the last thing you feel... Good Luck!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
TTW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 09:25 AM   #19
Licensed electrician
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Maryland
Posts: 7,042
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


Neither a bonding jumper or a GEC is required to be green if insulated.
__________________
Answers based on the National Electrical Code. Local amendments may apply. Check with your local building officials.
Jim Port is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Jim Port For This Useful Post:
NJMarine (12-08-2012), stickboy1375 (12-08-2012)
Old 12-08-2012, 02:09 PM   #20
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 224
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


And when you are in crawl space look for any shut offs or pressure regulators etc in water line, where that pipe comes into home.They need to be jumpered also.. Main GEC must be within 5ft of where pipe enters crawlspace ..picUngrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher-imag0201.jpg

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher-imag0200.jpg

Last edited by hidden1; 12-08-2012 at 02:16 PM.
hidden1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 04:34 PM   #21
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 2,190
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


Quote:
Originally Posted by hidden1 View Post
And when you are in crawl space look for any shut offs or pressure regulators etc in water line, where that pipe comes into home.They need to be jumpered also.. Main GEC must be within 5ft of where pipe enters crawlspace
I think that's a moot point since there have been PEX repairs. And as for for the GEC in the first 5 feet, as I said there's nothing within 20 feet (up to the shut off valve for the house.)
jeffnc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 04:40 PM   #22
TTW
Member
 
TTW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Maine
Posts: 350
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


I have asked you several questions that you have not answered.

I have posted pictures of what is required.

It sounds like you have some serious grounding issues. If you ever get a lightning strike very bad things are bound to happen.

You really need to get an electrician in to check all of this out for you.
__________________
#1 - If you don't know what you're doing - get a licensed electrician!
#2 - If you follow my advice and something bad happens see # 1
Electricity bites hard, and it could be the last thing you feel... Good Luck!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
TTW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 08:44 PM   #23
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 2,190
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


Quote:
Originally Posted by TTW View Post
I have asked you several questions that you have not answered.
I've responded to a number of your comments, even though I don't see a single question in any of your posts. I haven't had time to look in the crawlspace again to see what's coming out of the panel.

This isn't my house, so when the homeowner asks me why he needs an electrician at his expense to do so simple a thing as hooking the dishwasher back up, I want to have a good answer for him. I'm doing painting and tile work in the house.
jeffnc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 08:51 PM   #24
Licensed Electrician
 
k_buz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: SE Wisconsin
Posts: 4,216
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


A good answer would be that you are not an electrician and this isn't a simple reconnect due to the lack of proper grounding.
__________________
__________________________________________________ ______________
Answers based on the National Electric Code. Always check local amendments.


k_buz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 08:58 PM   #25
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 2,190
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


I can handle how I answer the question to him, thank you. I'm just looking for the information. The more I learn, the better, even when dealing with an electrician when I have to.
jeffnc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 09:23 PM   #26
Licensed Electrician
 
k_buz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: SE Wisconsin
Posts: 4,216
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


Quote:
I want to have a good answer for him
HMMMM

As a side note: I find it to be an insult to all the true electrical contractors out there when a handyman (not meant to be offensive) comes to a DIY site to get information to use to profit off of... and yes, it is different when a homeowner comes here to ask for advice on their personal property.
__________________
__________________________________________________ ______________
Answers based on the National Electric Code. Always check local amendments.


k_buz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 09:29 PM   #27
retired elect/hvac/plumb
 
plummen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: south east of omaha/The island of misfit contractors
Posts: 2,792
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


If youre worried about it being grounded why not install a gfi in an accessable location like under the sink and use an appliance cord on the dishwasher to connect it?
__________________
"facts" have no relevance to this discusion
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Posting from a concrete bunker under a non descript barn
plummen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2012, 09:38 PM   #28
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 2,190
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


Quote:
Originally Posted by k_buz View Post
HMMMM

As a side note: I find it to be an insult to all the true electrical contractors out there when a handyman (not meant to be offensive) comes to a DIY site to get information to use to profit off of... and yes, it is different when a homeowner comes here to ask for advice on their personal property.
And how am I profiting off of this exactly? Counting my time spent here and in his crawlspace, pay me even $10/hr and I'm down about $30 so far.

If it makes you feel better, I'm passing on the information to the homeowner so he can decide if he wants to do the work or hire an electrician to do it.

Not only do I not find it insulting, I find it wonderful that we have a site like this on which to share information for any purpose. Not to mention the fact that homeowners are listening in on the answers, which still makes this thread valuable for them. But again, if it makes you feel better, just don't answer any electrical questions when you see my name.
jeffnc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2012, 09:00 AM   #29
E2 Electrician
 
stickboy1375's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Litchfield, CT
Posts: 4,235
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


Quote:
Originally Posted by plummen View Post
If youre worried about it being grounded why not install a gfi in an accessable location like under the sink and use an appliance cord on the dishwasher to connect it?
That would still be a code violation in this scenario... 250.114 requires a dishwasher to be grounded.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
stickboy1375 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2012, 09:48 AM   #30
retired elect/hvac/plumb
 
plummen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: south east of omaha/The island of misfit contractors
Posts: 2,792
Default

Ungrounded wiring, need ground for dishwasher


If youre not opening the walls to replace wiring I think it would be very hard for an inspector to enforce that on an existing appliance.
Most of our inspectors around here anyway are smart enough to draw the line on existing equipment.
And if hes worried about it from just a safety stand point Id say the gfi would make it much safer than it being on a regular ungrounded outlet anyway
__________________
"facts" have no relevance to this discusion
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Posting from a concrete bunker under a non descript barn
plummen is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wiring and using a common ground jnahman Electrical 9 07-09-2012 09:53 PM
Attic wiring - ceiling lighting uses 14/2 cable without ground darlingm Electrical 3 11-29-2011 09:01 AM
wiring a detached shed for AC power *and* generator backhaul wrooster Electrical 19 05-28-2010 11:59 AM
240 volt load/appliance and ground vs neutral kgize Electrical 7 04-22-2010 11:40 PM
home grounding problem smoke-wagon Electrical 7 06-25-2009 03:07 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.