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adgjqetuo 08-31-2012 05:31 PM

Twisting wires inside box
 
Is it ok to twist wires like this inside a box?

http://i.imgur.com/pWTk2l.jpg

rjniles 08-31-2012 06:35 PM

It is not a code violation but it looks amateurish. Also, don't leave so much cable sheath in the box (1/4-1/2" is plenty). But not nearly as bad as this.:no:

http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/...aragewires.jpg

Jim Port 08-31-2012 06:51 PM

The tabs in the back of the box are supposed to hold the cable in the box. They should not have been broken out. The box should be replaced.

rjniles 08-31-2012 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 1000682)
The tabs in the back of the box are supposed to hold the cable in the box. They should not have been broken out. The box should be replaced.

Jim,

Can you see that in the photo the OP posted or in the second photo that I posted?

RJ

bbo 08-31-2012 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rjniles (Post 1000712)
Jim,

Can you see that in the photo the OP posted or in the second photo that I posted?

RJ

I can see that in the OP photo.

either that or they didn't thread the romex in the right way.

look at bottom left inbound wire.

adgjqetuo 08-31-2012 08:04 PM

I think he's talking about my photo. The one tab on my box is broken off. I know it should be replaced but I honestly don't feel like taking apart all those wires and redoing everything right now. I know it's not correct, but at the same time the wire isn't going to go anywhere.

Jim Port 08-31-2012 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjniles (Post 1000712)
Jim,

Can you see that in the photo the OP posted or in the second photo that I posted?

RJ

Posted by the Op, bottom of box, white cable.

rjniles 08-31-2012 08:52 PM

OK I see it now. You guys have a lot better eyes than mine.

ajmckay 09-01-2012 12:00 AM

In single gang boxes aren't you allowed to break out the tabs? I know several of those boxes only have break outs, not the bendy tabs. I think the caveat is that you have to staple the wire within 8" or something to that effect.

Anyways, it annoys the crap out of me when wires are all twisted up like that. In my house the last guy to work on the electrical twisted everything up similar to the picture and the result is that most of the time I have to cut and expose fresh wire because if I try to un-twist the copper snaps off...

NECHater 09-01-2012 07:32 AM

In some single gang nail-on boxes there are only knock-outs, no clamp. As you mentioned, in this situation you have to staple the cable closer to the box.

As for the OP, I HATE seeing things like that because it's so hard to work on. Twist the wires until there is one or two twists down past where the skirt of the wire nut goes to, that's all you need. Anything more simply makes it harder to shape into the box and much harder to work on later.

Also, it's a big pet peeve of mine to see cable insulation in the box. There is no need, cut it off where the cable enters the box.

Wow, I am a Negative Nelly today :laughing:

electures 09-01-2012 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adgjqetuo (Post 1000656)
Is it ok to twist wires like this inside a box?

http://i.imgur.com/pWTk2l.jpg

Twisting the conductors is fine, but that is a little overdone. It can cause a little stress on the conductors. I have seen broken conductors from twisting too tight. A real pain-in-a$$ to trouble shoot. Although the installation instructions for the wire connectors do not require twisting, I prefer twisting the splices just a little. Enough so the splice doesn't come apart while trouble shooting (not my work).

electures 09-01-2012 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjniles (Post 1000674)
It is not a code violation but it looks amateurish. Also, don't leave so much cable sheath in the box (1/4-1/2" is plenty). But not nearly as bad as this.:no:

http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/...aragewires.jpg

This picture just screams "trunk slammer".

mikegp 09-01-2012 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NECHater (Post 1000884)
Also, it's a big pet peeve of mine to see cable insulation in the box. There is no need, cut it off where the cable enters the box.

Isn't it code to leave a certain amount in the box? Between 1/2 an inch and an inch or so?

NECHater 09-01-2012 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikegp (Post 1001073)
Isn't it code to leave a certain amount in the box? Between 1/2 an inch and an inch or so?

.25 inches, and there is no reason for any more than that. If a little more comes thru by accident, fine. But there is no reason for 1 inch or more sheath to be in the box. It simply makes no sense, it's like taping wirenuts, the only people who do it are people who shouldn't be doing electrical work.

jbfan 09-01-2012 03:55 PM

Looks like the wires were twisted with a drill!


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