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Old 11-04-2009, 12:42 PM   #16
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300ZX (post #14) I tend to agree with you that this is one of the times to call in a "Qualified Electrician" as it says on most of the inserts. Additionally, there's an adapter plate (single or 2-gang) missing on the 1900 box. There's no term in electrical wiring "Black Neutral". In electronics there is a definition of a Black wire having Negative polarity. (No matter what) Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!

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Kripes,

I'm sure we can figure this out for you. What I would like to see is a picture, with the switches (not wired ) so you can pull the electrical wires out of the box, just extend them out and bend them up or down in their respective corners, with the exception of the white wires. Just the black wires. In your description, just mention which one is the "hot" wire (i.e - upper right, lower left, same for black wire going to fan and black wire going to light.) Its too crowded in the current pics to determine what wires are coming from where. If I am unclear, or you need more specifics, post a response. This shouldn't be that complicated of a swap for you, so if you don't mind, take some more pics, preferably one straight at the box, after wires extended out - and we'll help you complete this task.
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Kripes,

I'm sure we can figure this out for you. What I would like to see is a picture, with the switches (not wired ) so you can pull the electrical wires out of the box, just extend them out and bend them up or down in their respective corners, with the exception of the white wires. Just the black wires. In your description, just mention which one is the "hot" wire (i.e - upper right, lower left, same for black wire going to fan and black wire going to light.) Its too crowded in the current pics to determine what wires are coming from where. If I am unclear, or you need more specifics, post a response. This shouldn't be that complicated of a swap for you, so if you don't mind, take some more pics, preferably one straight at the box, after wires extended out - and we'll help you complete this task.
Sad to say but everyone here has said the feed(hot) dosn't go to the blue wire.Also there is a diagram has been posted 3 times and its the right one go to the site you list and this is the diagram I f you can't figure that out we can't help you anymore YOU NEED TO CALL AN ELECTRICIAN!!!!! http://www.smarthome.com/1122W/Levit...6124H-W/p.aspx

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Okay I did as you asked. Only the lower right wire is hot. I guess I have my multimeter to the wrong setting because the needle never moved on it. But I also have a little line tester meant for power outlets with a light on it, and that worked.
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Hey 300zx you don't have to be that way. If you read my posts you'd discover I have a 5A, not the 20A you depicted so there are different wires. You would also discover that I have tried to connect the blue to the hot wire, and then to the neutral wire, both with the same effect.
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You have 4 Black Wires there are two off them hot 120 volt ? or just one
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I tested them all twice and only the lower right one is hot. I can't tell you if it's 120 volt because the multimeter didn't work. I have it set to 250 ACV.

Also, what's a good site to learn more about these fundamentals?
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You have an extra wire i think i might be a feed through to other devices do you remember how it was hooked up That is 12-2 or 14-2 wire ?
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I dont understand what you are talking about looks like 12-2 or 14-2 to me 120 volt ? also the link you postes shows that diagram so i just can't figure out what you are having a problem with.
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Now we are getting somewhere!


So, you do have four black wires. One of them has to be the "hot" that powers everything else and as pointed out above, you might be powering something else from this box.


Here is one way to check what you got.

First, identify which of the black wires is hot - there should only be one. Label it somehow.

Next, turn the breaker off and wire nut this hot wire with another one of the black wires. Turn the breaker on - what is now receiving power? The Light, the fan, or something else. Label the other black wire

Repeat with the remaining two wires. Turn the breaker off, connect the hot wire to one of the two wires, turn the breaker on and not what is powered

You should then be able to properly identify the four black wires and we can go from there


It sounds like at this point you will have to wire nut the hot wire to one of the other black wires that we do not know what it goes to yet. You would also add the two black wires from your two switches you want to add.

Also a good tool to have is a "non contact voltage tester" like this fluke. With the breaker on and the wires seperated like you have, you could just tough the tip to the wire and it should tell you if it is energized or not



http://www.amazon.com/Fluke-1AC-A1-I...7377564&sr=8-1

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300zx:
The original post #1 was from prolux09 back in July. He had a 20A timer switch with a neutral. kripes posted on 11/1, post #6, and he has a 5A timer w/o a neutral.

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I noticed you said "the fan came on and never went off". When I looked up the Leviton 5A timer, a 6515 is not for a fan. What's the part number of your timer and what are you trying to control with it?
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According to the picture (in post #19), the Black wire from upper center that veers to the lower left is the ONLY HOT! Please note that it's skinned towards the middle, thus going to both (original) switches, IMHO! Eliminate confusion Through Education! (No matter what) Don't Drink and Drive,Ever!!!
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I was currious about that as well - looking at the pictures, but stated the lower right was the hot.
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According to the picture (in post #19), the Black wire from upper center that veers to the lower left is the ONLY HOT! Please note that it's skinned towards the middle, thus going to both (original) switches, IMHO! Eliminate confusion Through Education! (No matter what) Don't Drink and Drive,Ever!!!
I did see that the other must be a feed through to other devices the pic is not correct without a multimeter but will give an idea of what needs to be done. Any one could be the switch leg xcept the hot

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300zx (Post #29) That's the one. We're talking (or posting) about the same thing. Except I used an abstract description and you used a visual one. BTW. (This is my personal opinion). It would be wonderful for all beginning DWY'ers to read about the Basics of residential Electrical wiring. At the home centers there are many great books on how the electrical system in a house works. And some practical advice and guidance about electrical projects. That (knowledge) coupled with the great advice dished out by the experienced and dedicated posters on this forum will go a long way towards facilitating all the planned projects. Eliminate confusion Through Education; Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!

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