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02-19-2012, 03:13 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
I'm trying to stick with one type of wire/cable for feeding a sub-panel 125' away from a 60amp 2-pole in my main panel. Something that can be used within walls, in a crawl space, and direct buried. This is what I am considering using-
http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/Indu...th-Ground.html
Any suggestions/comments are appreciated.
Thanks!
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02-19-2012, 05:28 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
USE-2 meets all the requirements and is probably cheaper and easier to find.
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02-19-2012, 07:34 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterSteve
I'm trying to stick with one type of wire/cable for feeding a sub-panel 125' away from a 60amp 2-pole in my main panel. Something that can be used within walls, in a crawl space, and direct buried. This is what I am considering using-
http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/Indu...th-Ground.html
Any suggestions/comments are appreciated.
Thanks!
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Short answer, no.
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02-19-2012, 07:37 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
Quote:
Originally Posted by mpoulton
USE-2 meets all the requirements and is probably cheaper and easier to find.
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USE is not allowed for interior wiring. Is USE-2 allowed?
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02-19-2012, 08:13 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
Quote:
Originally Posted by brric
USE is not allowed for interior wiring. Is USE-2 allowed?
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The new USE is dual rated as RHW or RHH also. Still gotta pipe it inside though.
http://www.southwire.com/ProductCata...=prodcatsheet7
Last edited by Code05; 02-19-2012 at 08:16 PM.
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02-19-2012, 08:37 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
Quote:
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USE is not allowed for interior wiring. Is USE-2 allowed?
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338.12(B) specifically refers to USE, not USE and USE-2, so I assumed the prohibition did not apply to USE-2. However, the explanatory text in the 2011 handbook says it does. Apparently the basis for this is that USE and USE-2 are not required to have flame retardant jackets.
Maybe the only jacket cable type that could be used for this installation would be UF?
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02-19-2012, 09:22 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
Quote:
Originally Posted by mpoulton
338.12(B) specifically refers to USE, not USE and USE-2, so I assumed the prohibition did not apply to USE-2. However, the explanatory text in the 2011 handbook says it does. Apparently the basis for this is that USE and USE-2 are not required to have flame retardant jackets.
Maybe the only jacket cable type that could be used for this installation would be UF?
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The new stuff is dual rated. See above post.
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02-20-2012, 05:31 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
How about using SE-R from the main panel through the crawl space and then splicing into USE-2 in an LB on the outside of the house and from there take the USE-2 to the panel in the garage? If this works, can the USE-2 be inside conduit within the walls? It would need to be piped about 7' in the same exterior wall it came in, up to the panel. I can run the conduit up the outside of the wall and into the panel, but I would rather use the pvc that was put in the foundation specifically for this. Both cables would #2 AL with a #4 ground.
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02-20-2012, 05:34 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
Do not splice in the LB. There isn't enough room.
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02-20-2012, 08:51 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
So is splicing even an option?
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02-20-2012, 10:18 PM
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Can some kind of junction box be used to splice these cables?
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02-20-2012, 10:58 PM
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OK, after some reading it seems I need to figure out the box fill calculation for anything larger 6 awg being spliced in a junction box. The calculation being based on the trade(?) size of the conduit being used and whether it is a straight or angle pull. Straight times 8 and angle times 6. If it is an angle pull/splice using 2" pvc conduit, I would multiply 2 x 6 and get a 12" x 12" junction box? Am I even in the parking lot of the ball park with this???
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02-20-2012, 10:58 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
Quote:
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Can some kind of junction box be used to splice these cables?
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Of course you can. It would be the "big goofy boxes" that you made reference to.
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02-20-2012, 11:02 PM
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Of course you can. It would be the "big goofy boxes" that you made reference to. 
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I now know there is no one perfect wire or cable that can be used in any/all/multi installations/applications. It seems odd that there isn't though........
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02-20-2012, 11:04 PM
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Is Tray Cable acceptable for Residential use?
What two types of cables would you like to splice together and how are they going to be ran?
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