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Old 04-18-2008, 03:51 PM   #16
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I would never die for a country (a piece of dirt) as such. On the other hand, I'd happily fight for freedom against any oligarchy, anywhere in the world. I see myself as a "member of the world" & not as an "Australian".
I'm not sure if the world will ever realize what you have stated here. Understanding that we are all a "member of the world" is many decades if not centuries down the road. In order to reach that highlight we would have to break down all barriers of religion, and suffer a world threatening tragedy that would force all governments and Allah and Christ and Budda and who ever else you believe in to shake hands. The common working people would gladly do so IMO. The religious never will. The politicians will shake hands but their fingers will be crossed... meaning they don't really mean it.

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"Saving the world" was never anyones responsibility, as far as I knew. I think that in this case, it is a "cause & effect" result.
I totally agree I just wish we could all figure that out

As for oligarchy many believe that all governments eventually evolve into oligarchies. It can be debated the USA is an Oligarchy ruled by an elite group of citizens who allow freedom to the population as long as that bird feeder is full that I mentioned earlier. Might be some truth to it but I still like it here. If the politicians could just remember where they come from....

I single out the flag of a country because its mast is stuck in the dirt drawing a line so to speak and flies for what a country believes in by its constitution whether or not its government necessarily follows those same beliefs. In America the flag flies for the defense of Freedom and an individuals opportunity to live in peace with all others.

War? Good idea to hate it but never fear it...the defense of freedom will always result in wars.

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Old 04-18-2008, 04:22 PM   #17
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For your information the fuel oriented utilities in this country have been making outrageous profits which they have not been able to justify. The present administration will not require the CEO's be legally sworn in during testimony to answer to the high profits they are making. This allows these so called CEO's to avoid the truth.....legally.

The last time I checked this was a capitalist society. Do you want the government telling you what you can make? The oil companies have not been making outrageous profits. Exxon grossed 377 billion dollars last year, they netted 39 billion dollars (roughly). That's a 10% profit margin. Do you think that is too high.

Proctor and Gamble made 12% profit last year. Why aren't people all upset over "Big Soap"?

I don't want the government telling me I can only make a 9% profit, do you? Maybe from now on I will only tip the waitress 9%, would that make everybody happy. You don't want government regulating business, you want them to get out of the way of business. Can you name one single thing the government is efficient at running? They're doing one hell of a job on social security, and now you want them taking over the corporations. Not all corporations are the size of Exxon. I am incorporated and I want less regulations not more.

The only reason congress has held hearings over "Big Oil" is to distract you from the real problems facing this country.

If you want to blame somebody for the price of oil, blame all those bunny hugging, crystal worshipping, new age hippie, ecofreaks that are stopping us from exploring and drilling for our own oil.

If it was up to me, I would drill right through a caribou's head to get at some oil. That is after we deplete the middle east of all their oil so they don't have anymore money to buy plane tickets and bombs anymore

Oops, did I type that out loud?

By the way, my militia is looking for new members, so just drop me a line and I'll hook you up.

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I think you got your 0 in the wrong place, Exxon netted 40B last year.

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Yes, your right I was going off memory. The numbers were 377 billion gross and 39 billion net. Slightly over 10%.

But it's still 10%
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The last time I checked this was a capitalist society. Do you want the government telling you what you can make? The oil companies have not been making outrageous profits. Exxon grossed 144 billion dollars last year, they netted 4 billion dollars (roughly). That's a 10% profit margin. Do you think that is too high.

Proctor and Gamble made 12% profit last year. Why aren't people all upset over "Big Soap"?

I don't want the government telling me I can only make a 9% profit, do you? Maybe from now on I will only tip the waitress 9%, would that make everybody happy. You don't want government regulating business, you want them to get out of the way of business. Can you name one single thing the government is efficient at running? They're doing one hell of a job on social security, and now you want them taking over the corporations. Not all corporations are the size of Exxon. I am incorporated and I want less regulations not more.

The only reason congress has held hearings over "Big Oil" is to distract you from the real problems facing this country.

If you want to blame somebody for the price of oil, blame all those bunny hugging, crystal worshipping, new age hippie, ecofreaks that are stopping us from exploring and drilling for our own oil.

If it was up to me, I would drill right through a caribou's head to get at some oil. That is after we deplete the middle east of all their oil so they don't have anymore money to buy plane tickets and bombs anymore

Oops, did I type that out loud?

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The last time you checked, you seemed happy about the numbers fed to you. If so, then you have little about which to gripe.

Nonetheless, you have now fully exposed yourself. Are you opposed to alternative fuel systems or are you about "easy profit" & raping the resources of the world? What about the pollution all in the name of the "caribou's head?"

I do not have children...nor do I wish to bring children into this world. Do you have children? Would you like to bring them into a world of pollution & war?
As a Nobel Peace Laureate said, "It will be the next generation who has to clean up this generations mess"...or words to that effect.

Stubbie, understanding about being a "member of the world" is not a matter of decades or centuries. It is simply a matter of "changing your mind".
The barriers of religion will never be broken down but since religion is such a fluid thing, my guess is that religion will end up supporting the meek...purely to gain control in the future (once again).

As for oligarchies, most so called "democratic" governments are exactly this. They have had hundreds of years of history to help them control the masses...& they do it perfectly. They have become very good at "controlling" without appearing to control.

In the end, which I reckon is not so far away, energy will be the big decider. Quite simply, who has the most energy will win...will control the world. I don't think I'd like to be a member of the "controller of the world". Nobody likes a "bully". I'd sooner be liked for my contribution rather than feared by my retribution.

Again & to keep this topic on track, I think that Fuel Cells will upset the scheme of things greatly...so much so that oil companies will soon endorse such things, because they recognise that their source of control is running out. They will seek to monopolise the next ultimate fuel source. Maybe it will be platinum or hydrogen? But I'm sure they'll attempt to control such a valuable source. Mark my words.
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The last time you checked, you seemed happy about the numbers fed to you. If so, then you have little about which to gripe.

Nonetheless, you have now fully exposed yourself. Are you opposed to alternative fuel systems or are you about "easy profit" & raping the resources of the world? What about the pollution all in the name of the "caribou's head?"

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I am not griping about the numbers, I like the numbers, I am griping about the people who want to give all their freedoms up to the government and have the governments run their lives because they are too lazy or too stupid to make their own way through life.

I am griping about all you liberals who want to destroy our country and our economy and put us back in the stone ages like the other half of the world in the name of environmentalism.

We have the toughest pollution standards in the world and our river and air quality have been improving every year since the 70's. We don't need the united nations made up of all the third world countries telling us how to improve ourselves, when all their people are dying to move over here.

BTY, the militia is for when you libs completely take over this country
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BTY, the militia is for when you libs completely take over this country

It looks like you'll get to use your gun sooner than you think.

You see, it's not about "your country"...it's about the world!! As the American Indians once said, "When white man has polluted the last river, chopped down the last tree & eaten the last fish, he will realise that he can't eat money."

Dear Mr Silk, you can have your militia but you won't have freedom or food. They will be controlled for you...& it won't be by "liberals", whatever they are.

Don't you think that it would be better if we all "got together" as friends & helped each other, rather than shoot each other? Don't you think that you would benefit from the company of a fellow human? Or would you like to "go it alone" & take your chances?

Naturally, I'm a loner. I won't bother to tell you the experiences I've had about "survival" but they have been informative & somewhat unpleasant.
But what is more unpleasant for me is the fact that the world should come to a crisis just because energy becomes scarce & people start killing each over it.

If you think your electricity bill is high now, just wait for the future. It may cost you your life (if you have your way).

Are you open to a joint effort of energy resource or not? Can you possibly see a way forward with fuel cells that does not require the hatred of "liberals" (whatever they are) or not?
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Kangaroo,

The militia comments are tongue-in-cheek.

As to getting together with the rest of the world. The only thing that would do is to pull us down to the level of everybody else. The rest of the world should be striving to be more like us. We are the richest country in the history of the world, we must be doing something right.

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As for the energy, I believe the future should be nuclear to run the grid, and hydrogen for the vehicles
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As a parting comment, I would like to say that you, in no way, represent many of your countrymen, in that they are not as nationalistic & therefore as xenophobic as you. You would make a perfect Thai person...they are fed nationalism on a daily basis...& they believe it!! The same goes for most people in many Asian countries. Perhaps you have Chinese descendants & you don't realise it?

In any case, most Americans I know are not hateful people who wish to rule the world. They wish peace as much as I do...& they wish it in a peaceful manner, not war.

Good luck with your plight. You'll need it.

In the meantime, fuel cells will reign long after you have done something to the last "liberal" (whatever a "liberal" is).
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really think fuel cells are the answer? magnetic motion seems promising. A hundred mile solar field in the desert could power the entire US.
Hydrogen technology is a simple tech thats exsisted for quite some time, but as you stated needs quite a bit of electricity to get the process rolling. Not familiar with the techniques to reduce electrical demand...very interested in hearing though.
As far as your want for a one world like mentality, i dont see it possible.
We as a society(globaly) are extremely primative. Most habits run straight from the animal kingdom. we horde, we kill, we abuse, and backstab anyone thats impeads our comfort(id like to believe thats not the case).
I feal sorry for what people have become and for what we do to eachother. The "positive" potential for our race is limitless and its sad to see it like this.

Albeit one person may be a possitive memeber of society, the sheeple's behavior is consistant....we need to spike the water with birth control, thin the flock
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I wish I had thought to say that....
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I wish I had thought to say that....

I wish you had said it too, then you would have sounded as stupid as kangaroo. I might be the descendant of a chinese person, but I don't have chinese decendants. There is a difference.

I am not racist. I was referring to governments, not people. Again, there is a difference.

It is a common liberal strategy to call anybody that doesn't think like them a racist, when actually it is the other way around, you are judging me

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In a strange way, I feel sorry for you Mr Silk. You, by your own volition, have chosen the short end of the stick.

In the meantime, what do you think about Fuel Cells?
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In a strange way, I feel sorry for you Mr Silk. You, by your own volition, have chosen the short end of the stick.

In the meantime, what do you think about Fuel Cells?

Don't feel sorry for me, I'm living the American dream!

I have not spent much time at all researching fuel cells, so I could not give an informed answer. The reason I haven't is because oil is still too cheap to make any other fuel viable. People may think it isn't cheap, but it is still cheaper than the alternatives. I believe we are still a few years away from the oil crunch, and the way technology is advancing we should be able to make a transition to hydrogen fairly easily. The electricity to power this should be able to come from nuclear.
France does the nuclear thing right, you can check the stats but I believe that 80% of their power comes from nuclear.

See, I'm not a xenophob, I just complimented the French!

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