DIY Chatroom -  DIY Home Improvement Forum
    DIY Forum     DIY Blogs     Photos     Woodworking     Advertise     Contact Us  

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!
Go Back   DIY Chatroom - DIY Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Electrical

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 09-09-2010, 07:58 PM   #1
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Maryland
Posts: 45
Default

Termination of neutral in main service panel


In the main service panel, can a neutral be terminated in the equipment ground bar if there are no spaces left in the neutral bar?

Thank you,
Mike

Mike2401 is offline   Reply With Quote
Join DIYChatroom.com

Join the #1 DIY Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

DIYChatroom.com - Are you about to start a new home improvement task and need some help? Do you need advise on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that DIY Chatroom is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally free.

Join DIYChatroom.com - Click Here
JOIN FOR FREE


Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. DIYChatroom.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any home improvement task!
Old 09-09-2010, 07:59 PM   #2
Average Joe/ex-Navy IC3
 
gregzoll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Midwest - Central Illinois
Posts: 9,271
Default

Termination of neutral in main service panel


Neutral & Ground are always tied together in a Main Panel. Only in a Sub are they separate.

gregzoll is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to gregzoll For This Useful Post:
Mike2401 (09-10-2010)
Old 09-10-2010, 03:45 AM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,663
Default

Termination of neutral in main service panel


I think the question had to do with the physical attachment points - the OP understands they are electrically tied together.
vsheetz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to vsheetz For This Useful Post:
Mike2401 (09-10-2010)
Old 09-10-2010, 09:07 AM   #4
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Maryland
Posts: 45
Default

Termination of neutral in main service panel


Thanks vsheetz,

I want to add a circuit in the main service panel and there are no positions available on the nuetral bar, but there are several positions available in the equipment ground bar. My question is, "Can I terminate the neutral of the new circuit on the equipment ground bar?" Is this code compliant for NEC 2008?

Thank you,
Mike
Mike2401 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2010, 09:25 AM   #5
I=E/R
 
a7ecorsair's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,052
Default

Termination of neutral in main service panel


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike2401 View Post
Thanks vsheetz,

I want to add a circuit in the main service panel and there are no positions available on the nuetral bar, but there are several positions available in the equipment ground bar. My question is, "Can I terminate the neutral of the new circuit on the equipment ground bar?" Is this code compliant for NEC 2008?

Thank you,
Mike
Just a bit of information..
Since you are out of neutral bar spaces, there must be ground wires occupying some of those spaces. If you look closely at your panel, you will see that the two bars, neutral and ground, are connected some how. This is proper for a main panel but if this were a sub panel the two bars have to be separate.
a7ecorsair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2010, 09:43 AM   #6
Xtreme DIY'r
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: South of Boston, MA
Posts: 17,248
Default

Termination of neutral in main service panel


Also grounds of the same size can be doubled up under one screw
Scuba_Dave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2010, 10:45 AM   #7
UAW SKILLED TRADES
 
Stubbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kansas
Posts: 4,584
Default

Termination of neutral in main service panel


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike2401 View Post
In the main service panel, can a neutral be terminated in the equipment ground bar if there are no spaces left in the neutral bar?

Thank you,
Mike
Hi Mike

Just to be certain what your talking about. If you have an added grounding bar in the service equipment ... ie... the place where the main breaker (disconnect) is located you CANNOT land a neutral (grounded conductor) to that grounding bar.

What I'm saying here is if you have a neutral bar or bars that are bonded together and to the metal of the panel with a main bonding jumper ... then neutrals and grounds can land on them. However if a grounding bar has been added or the panel came with one installed it will be attached directly to the metal of the panel and will not be mounted on plastic standoffs like the neutral bar or bars.

If that is what you have you cannot land a neutral on that grounding bar. The reason is you are not allowed to use the metal of the panel to return neutral current to the service neutral via the main bonding jumper that bonds the neutral bar to the panel metal.

Here is an example
Attached Images
 

__________________
" One nice thing about the NEC articles ... you have lots of choices"

Stubbie

Last edited by Stubbie; 09-10-2010 at 11:14 AM.
Stubbie is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Stubbie For This Useful Post:
Mike2401 (09-10-2010)
Reply


-->
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Old House Rewire finnimus Electrical 15 05-13-2011 11:39 PM
Adding ground bar to main panel WoodworkerDave Electrical 6 09-27-2008 05:52 PM
Electrical anomily chuckrau Electrical 17 05-23-2008 10:02 PM
main service panel ptcamaro Electrical 9 03-30-2008 10:58 PM
12v diff between ground and neutral at panel am9518 Electrical 7 02-25-2008 07:28 PM


Top of Page | View New Posts


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:43 AM.


© 2003 - 2010 The Building Network LLC