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ddawg16 01-28-2013 05:46 AM

Switched Outlet - Top or Bottom?
 
When setting up an outlet where one of them is controlled off a switch, is there a standard as to which recpt to use? Top or Bottom?

k_buz 01-28-2013 05:56 AM

I switch the top, but there is no standard. I pick the top because that leaves the bottom open for a wall wart.

I guess I should clarify that this is for a "ground down" installation.

ddawg16 01-28-2013 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by k_buz (Post 1103836)
I switch the top, but there is no standard. I pick the top because that leaves the bottom open for a wall wart.

I guess I should clarify that this is for a "ground down" installation.

Sounds logical to me.

So...now, the $10K question....is it an issue mixing sources? In other words (after I cut the jumper between the two recept), do I run a switch loop from the outlet to the switch? Or do I power that upper recept from the lighting ckt that is feeding the box where the switch will be?

Either way, one of the boxes is going to end up with voltages from two different ckts.

brric 01-28-2013 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ddawg16 (Post 1103838)
Sounds logical to me.

So...now, the $10K question....is it an issue mixing sources? In other words (after I cut the jumper between the two recept), do I run a switch loop from the outlet to the switch? Or do I power that upper recept from the lighting ckt that is feeding the box where the switch will be?

Either way, one of the boxes is going to end up with voltages from two different ckts.

You run a three conductor cable from the switch to the recep. Use the red as the switch leg and use the black as the constant hot to the recep.

k_buz 01-28-2013 06:10 AM

Are the receptacles going to have two different circuits going to them? If so, you will need a 2P breaker feeding those two circuits. I don't know the AFCI requirements by you, but that might be an issue.

Not knowing which code cycle you are on (I thought you said 2011, but I thought the current CEC was based on NEC 08) I will say that bring your power into the switch box so the neutral is there.

ddawg16 01-28-2013 06:34 AM

I already have power to that recept box....

CEC (CA Elect Code) is still on 2008....even so, the code I follow was locked in when the plans were approved.

This is in the family room so I don't have to use AFIC.

At this point, I'm going to run a switch loop over to the wall where the other light switches are. We just one to have one outlet on a switch for a floor lamp. Non of the bedrooms will have switched outlets.....I hate those in bedrooms....we are installing fixed lights....if I want a bedroom table lamp to have remote on/off....I'll use the "Clapper"....

Maintenance 6 01-28-2013 07:44 AM

I always switched the bottom half of the duplex, because the items plugged into them are typically left in while the top half is used for temporary plug loads. It's just more convenient to plug into the top. My logic, no-one elses. I am curious about something though. I understand using 3 wire from box to box and using the red conductor for the switched load. Here is my question. If you run these on two circuits and wire them to a double pole breaker, they can share the neutral, but you end up with 220V in each box. If you run them on two circuits, but on two different busses, then they can't share the neutral. Should switched duplexes be wired so that each circuit has it's own neutral?

k_buz 01-28-2013 09:20 AM

Unless there is a state or local amendment, family rooms need AFCI protection.

teamo 01-28-2013 09:26 AM

I like the top switched and the bottom constant hot. The adapters for low voltage devices would block the bottom half of the receptacle if plugged into the top.

ddawg16 01-28-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by k_buz (Post 1103951)
Unless there is a state or local amendment, family rooms need AFCI protection.

AFIC not needed in the family room....an excerpt from my plans

Quote:

ELECTRICAL (CEC 2010)
1. GROUND FAULT CIRCUIT PROTECTION IS REQUIRED FOR ALL EXTERIOR OUTLETS,
BATHROOMS, KITCHEN COUNTERS, GARAGES OF DWELLING UNITS AND WHERE
THERE IS DIRECT GRADE LEVEL ACCESS AND ALL TEMPORARY PANELS USED FOR
CONSTRUCTION.
2. ALL UNDERGROUND WIRES TO BE PULLED IN APPROVED CONDUIT.
3. TELEPHONE LINE TO INSTALLED IN APPROVED CONDUIT.
4. TEMPORARY ELECTRIC PANELS TO BE PRIOR TO INSPECTION.
5. PROVIDE UFER GROUND IN NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
6. REQUIRED SMOKE DETECTORS SHALL RECEIVE THEIR PRIMARY POWER FROM THE
BUILDING WIRING. WIRING SHALL BE PERMANENT AND WITHOUT A
DISCONNECT SWITCH OTHER THAN THAT REQUIRED FOR OVER CURRENT
PROTECTION (CBC 907.2.10.1.3). SMOKE DETECTORS SHALL SOUND AN ALARM
AUDIBLE IN ALL AREAS OF THE BUILDING. ( CBC 907.2.10.1.2) INTERCONNECTED
AND EQUIPPED WITH BATTERY BACK-UP (CBC 907.2.10.3).
7. ALL ELECTRICAL PER LATEST ELECTRICAL CODES. CEC 2010
8. ELECTRICAL SYSTEM GROUND TO BE PROVIDED PER CEC 2010.
9. RECEPTACLE OUTLETS SHALL BE SPACED AT THE RATE OF 12 FEET O.C. MAXIMUM
AND SHALL BE LOCATED WITHIN 6 FEET OF DOOR OPENINGS (E.G., CLOSET
DOORS, ETC.). ALSO EVERY TWO FEET OR WIDER WALLS IN HABITABLE ROOMS.
10. ALL INCANDESCENT LIGHTING FIXTURES RECESSED INTO INSULATED CEILINGS
MUST BE APPROVED FOR ZERO-CLEARANCE INSULATION COVER (I.C.) BY
UNDERWRITERS LAB OR OTHER TESTING/RATING LAB. RECOGNIZED BY THE
I.C.B.O. AS PER TITLE 24.
11. PROVIDE AT LEAST ONE 20 AMP BRANCH CIRCUIT TO SUPPLY BATHROOM
RECEPTACLE OUTLETS. SUCH CIRCUIT SHALL HAVE NO OTHER OUTLETS. (CEC
210.11(C)(3))
12. PROVIDE AT LEAST ONE 20 AMP BRANCH CIRCUIT TO SUPPLY LAUNDRY
RECEPTACLE OUTLETS. SUCH CIRCUIT SHALL HAVE NO OTHER OUTLETS. (CEC
210.11(C)(2))
13. ALL LIGHTING TO COMPLY WITH 2008 TITLE 24.
14. ARC FAULT CIRCUIT INTERRUPTION PROTECTION REQUIRED FOR ALL BEDROOMBRANCH CIRCUITS. (CEC 210.12)
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Originally Posted by teamo (Post 1103958)
I like the top switched and the bottom constant hot. The adapters for low voltage devices would block the bottom half of the receptacle if plugged into the top.

Your the second one to note it that way....so that is the way I will go. Maintenance brings up a good point too....but i don't see this outlet getting a lot of 'other' use....it's sort of out of the way in a corner....I'm providing another outlet that would get a lot more use....such as the vacuum.


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