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paintdrying 01-24-2013 12:29 PM

Switch sits too far into box
 
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Gangbox to deep in the wall. Sorry to ask a question that has probably been asked so many times before. I cut back the drywall because the switches were sitting crooked in the box. As you can see the switches and receptacle sit to deep in the cover plate. The electrician I worked with would take a piece of wire and twist it on his screw driver and make a washer of sorts and put it behind the switches. What is the best way to do this. The most code compliant. A box extended would not work? I do not want to cut the drywall and move the box.

electures 01-24-2013 12:33 PM

Use an add-a-depth ring and pack it out with small washers or machine nuts.

http://imagethumbnails.milo.com/024/...47_trimmed.jpg

joecaption 01-24-2013 12:33 PM

http://homebuilding.thefuntimesguide...et_spacers.php
Lowes and HD have them.

Jim Port 01-24-2013 12:34 PM

A box extender like an Arlington BE1 and a BE2 would be your best bet. The code requires the box setback to be no more than 1/4" in a non-combustible surface like drywall.

danpik 01-24-2013 12:39 PM

Big box stores sell these in various sizes.
http://www.homedepot.com/Electrical/...&storeId=10051

paintdrying 01-24-2013 12:48 PM

The drywall has a very heavy texture so it will be hard to get the cover plate perfect. I am going to look into those Arlington BE1 and a BE2 simply for the fact that I can than get everything perfect. I was trying to avoid washers and what not. My electrician friend has been after me to get a "rope tester" so this maybe a good opportunity to go down to the supply house. Thanks

michaelcherr 01-24-2013 01:42 PM

For a small gap like that use the wire wrapped around a thin screwdriver. Then cut to create custom sized shim.
The box extenders are for bigger extension like new drywall ontop old.

fltdek 01-24-2013 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1100921)

I use them all the time, they work great, and would probably be only what you need!

k_buz 01-24-2013 07:54 PM

What the heck is a "rope tester"?

electures 01-24-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fltdek (Post 1101229)
I use them all the time, they work great, and would probably be only what you need!

The problem with them is that the box has to be flush in a combustible wall. Using them in conjunction with an add-a-depth ring will solve both problems.

paintdrying 01-24-2013 10:48 PM

A Rope tester http://www.licensedelectrician.com/S...D/Test-Glo.htm First of all the darn box is flopping around in the wall. My house was just slapped together and it really makes me mad. I bought a bag of those neon green spacers. They did the job I wanted but I did notice a big gap all around the box. It is like everything in this house, one simple thing turns into a project. My whole point of this job was to replace a wall switch with an outlet and I just wanted to find a neutral . Now I am looking at tearing the wall out and putting in a new box. Do they make a clip that can re secure a loose box?

MCB 01-24-2013 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by paintdrying (Post 1101395)
A Rope tester http://www.licensedelectrician.com/S...D/Test-Glo.htm First of all the darn box is flopping around in the wall. My house was just slapped together and it really makes me mad. I bought a bag of those neon green spacers. They did the job I wanted but I did notice a big gap all around the box. It is like everything in this house, one simple thing turns into a project. My whole point of this job was to replace a wall switch with an outlet and I just wanted to find a neutral . Now I am looking at tearing the wall out and putting in a new box. Do they make a clip that can re secure a loose box?

Although I haven't seen/used any up here, some enterprising American has undoubtedly made a triple EZ box... That is a box you can mount to the drywall without a stud. Or it shouldn't be too crazy to remount the box to a chunk of wood attached to the nearest stud. What was it attached to before? Then use an 850D to pull the other end tight with the drywall. (little clip to pull the non-fastened end tight)

funfool 01-25-2013 12:19 AM

I was holding back and not going to answer, but am ready to get schooled here.
I see this issue all the time on remodel work.
For the outlet, basically the issue besides the box being to far back and happens all the time in remodel when adding new mud and texture.
And also the hole for the box was cut to big, otherwise the tabs and ears of switches would sit on the drywall and when tight the cover plate would work fine.

What is wrong with just backing out the screws on the outlet and switches?
I see it all the time when going into a remodel, I have done it many times, just seems like standard practice to me, But I do not see anyone suggesting it here in the original question.
Is it against code?

paintdrying, every electrician I know, simply backs out the screws on the switches if needed. and always leave them a little loose even if not needed on 3 or 4 gang boxes, is easier to move them around to line them up for the wall plate.
So simply loosen the screws and when you tighten down the wall plate, it pulls the switches to correct location and walk away.

I always spend 10 cents more for nylon cover plates and not cheap plastic, Am very happy with our current electrician and in 6 years using him, maybe had 2 code violations, nothing serious enough to stop the job, just correct before final.

My only point is, what do real electricians do when they find this issue?
They are there doing trim out and want to get paid for completion of job.
Will they call me and say box is to deep?
will they run to the hardware store and buy a box extender? Maybe if is to bad.
Or will they just back out the screws and make it work?
From the photo, I would just back out the screws and forget about it.

MCB 01-25-2013 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by funfool (Post 1101458)
My only point is, what do real electricians do when they find this issue?

A real electrician does not leave the box loose. That is a code violation no matter where you live.
A real electrician makes the switches and receptacles solid when pushed and safe for you and your family to use them.

And sometimes, a real electrician tries to assist a homeowner when they ask for it.
Your welcome.:yes:

a real electrician.

funfool 01-25-2013 12:48 AM

MCB, the box is not loose. I assume it is attached to a stud or maybe even a remodel box.
Simply backing off the screws to the switches to the box, allows for adjustment. Now when the plate is installed, they are no longer loose ... your description does not apply.


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