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Old 05-04-2013, 09:34 AM   #76
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??? Want to share the light on how its a violation? READ THE VERY LAST SENTENCE OF 300.3 (B)
Yes and I did follow up with those irrelevant articles

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My interpretation as follows

300.3 (B) states that all conductors have to stay in the raceway for the same circuit. Unless otherwise permitted by 300.3 (B)(1) through (B)(4).

300.3 (B)(3)(which you say is your winning answer) says conductors in nonmetallic or non magnetic sheath where run in the raceways stated shall comply with 300.20 (B)
This is NOT what it says... and I already corrected you on this! You need to read what is actually written, not what you want it to say.

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[QUOTE=SGC622;1172303]My interpretation as follows

300.3 (B) states that all conductors have to stay in the raceway for the same circuit. Unless otherwise permitted by 300.3 (B)(1) through (B)(4).

300.3 (B)(3)(which you say is your winning answer) says conductors in nonmetallic or non magnetic sheath where run in the raceways, or gutters, or cable trays or trenches or cables or cords stated shall comply with 300.20 (B)
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You are dealing with the 2011 code book right? Well you didnt prove anything I can't make you see something you dont want to see.
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You are dealing with the 2011 code book right? Well you didnt prove anything I can't make you see something you dont want to see.
I proved you are not reading the section correctly, there is a COMMA after raceways, raceways was just one example... just like CABLES...
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This is NOT what it says... and I already corrected you on this! You need to read what is actually written, not what you want it to say.
I did, I hope you realize I was paraphrasing and not stating it verbatim
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300.3 (B) states that all conductors have to stay in the raceway for the same circuit. Unless otherwise permitted by 300.3 (B)(1) through (B)(4).

300.3 (B)(3)(which you say is your winning answer) says conductors in nonmetallic or non magnetic sheath where run in CABLES stated shall comply with 300.20 (B)
This is what 300.3 (B)(3) is saying.... and since 300.20 only deals with Metal enclosures or Metal raceways, it's a moot point when wiring with all plastic boxes.

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I proved you are not reading the section correctly, there is a COMMA after raceways, raceways was just one example... just like CABLES...
Comma or not still does not apply. You proved nothing other than our opinions differ
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Comma or not still does not apply. You proved nothing other than our opinions differ
I proved it was acceptable, CABLES is another wiring method other than RACEWAYS... You keep reading it as the cable is installed inside the raceway... hence the comma AFTER raceways...
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Comma or not still does not apply. You proved nothing other than our opinions differ

I was on your side, but after rereading the citation Stickboy is quoting...I agree with him. You are interpreting it incorrectly.
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This is what 300.3 (B)(3) is saying.... and since 300.20 only deals with Metal enclosures or Metal raceways, it's a moot point when wiring with all plastic boxes.
I dont know if you forgot but read 300.3 (B) again. It says (and im paraphrasing) the wires are to stay in the same raceway UNLESS otherwise stated. So since 300.3 (B)(3) doesnt give an answer, it just basically tells you to reference 300.20 (B). You yourself said 300.20 (B) is a moot point. So where is your issue?
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I dont know if you forgot but read 300.3 (B) again. It says (and im paraphrasing) the wires are to stay in the same raceway UNLESS otherwise stated. So since 300.3 (B)(3) doesnt give an answer, it just basically tells you to reference 300.20 (B). You yourself said 300.20 (B) is a moot point. So where is your issue?
You have yourself so convinced, you wont look at any other way...


Yes, you have to follow 300.3 (B) UNLESS otherwise permitted in 300.3(B)(1) through (B)(4)...

(B)(3) allows the installation... sorry dude.
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So since 300.3 (B)(3) doesnt give an answer, it just basically tells you to reference 300.20 (B). You yourself said 300.20 (B) is a moot point. So where is your issue?
it just basically tells you something? lol....no, you just wont allow yourself to accept what it is saying.
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Could you please state the sentencing that wins it in (b)(3)
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it just basically tells you something? lol....no, you just wont allow yourself to accept what it is saying.
I am currently in a code update class (teacher is on the code making panel). I asked it as a class question and they agree with my interpretation. So do we go separate ways and agree to disagree?

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